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Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?

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Offline newreverie

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Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« on: January 23, 2014, 05:27:00 PM »
I've been to BBNP once before, but it was a long time ago with my boy scout troop.  To preface, I'm an experienced camper in moderate shape.  I wouldn't think twice about doing the outer mountain loop over 3-4 days.

But i'm bringing my wife and a 2 year old on this trip.  I've already purchased a hiking pack where you can have a child ride piggy back and carry a few things.  We're getting our son used to it by hiking around neighborhood parks with him in it.  My wife will likely be the one using this pack when we are on the way to our overnight locations (i'll have a supply pack with tent, food, water, ect), and i'll use it for day trips like the window and lost mine.  I think that our range is about 5 miles a day at a leisurely pace, with 7 miles being a maximum.

Here is the trip I have planned for Late Feb/Early March:
Day 1: Arrive Big Bend, Boquillas Canyon Sand Dunes, Hot Springs?, Zone Camp E08 - Marufo Vega
Day 2: Lost Mine Trail, Zone Camp, N03 - Grapevine Hills, balance Rock
Day 3: Santa Elena Upstream boomerang in kayak, Zone Camp S02 - Mule Ears Trail to East Side/Sandy Creek

Day 4: Chisos Basin Trailhead to Laguna Meadow Trail to Blue Creek Trail BL-2, LM-4(2)
Day 5: Blue Creek Trail to Southwest Rim to Boot Canyon to NorthEast Rim NE-1(2), SW-4
Day 6: Northeast Rim to Boot Canyon to Emory Peak/Toll Mountain TM-1, EP-1(2)
Day 7: Emory Peak to Chisos Basin, Camp in Basin Camp, Find Shower

Day 8: Window Trail, Leave


I think that this is an achievable trip with the difficulty being the Chisos Mountain section 4days/3nights.  It will be short walks, but i'll be carrying most of the water.  It will be difficult to do without a fill at boot springs on day 5 or early day 6.  I'd also like to make it to the top of Emory Peak, with everyone but that will be a play by ear thing.  I chose the Window for the last day out of closeness to the Basin Camp, but I've thought about flipping and Making Lost Mine the last day since the views are so good.  The distances are about the same, but I recall the Window being an easier hike and I think by the end we'll be worn out.  If we skip the window I won't feel so bad.

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2014, 06:22:38 PM »
Very achievable. Enjoy!

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2014, 06:29:49 PM »
Sounds like a nice itinerary, but, for me, it would be a bit ambitious with a two year old in tow.

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2014, 07:01:05 PM »
A couple of quick points:
  • EP-1 no longer exists, so you better hope TM-1 is available.
  • Good luck finding a shower in the Basin unless you rent a room (you can rent a shower in a room that is being turned over for a little less than $6 (per person, I'd imagine).

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2014, 07:05:24 PM »
Sounds like a nice itinerary, but, for me, it would be a bit ambitious with a two year old in tow.

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With water supply and a 2 yr old, plus the possibility of cold nights, I would be flexible. Sounds like fun.
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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2014, 10:30:48 PM »
Newreverie,

You say, "Day 3: Santa Elena Upstream boomerang in kayak, Zone Camp S02 - Mule Ears Trail to East Side/Sandy Creek"

Are you saying you will hike east along Mule Ears Trail and camp on the east side of Sandy Creek? If so, where exactly is Sandy Creek? I just looked at my copy of the Cerro Castellan Quadrangle -- having trouble finding Sandy Creek. But creek names is not my strong point.

If on the other hand, you are talking about camping on the east side of Smoky creek, that seems a bit too far after kayaking boomerang. (Smoky Cr. is certainly sandy enough!)

(There is a great campsite just east of Mule Ears Spring.)

Hope I havn't overdone it here.

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2014, 08:13:09 AM »
East Side of Mule Ears, West side of Smoky Creek  :banghead:

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2014, 09:20:07 AM »
(you can rent a shower in a room that is being turned over for a little less than $6 (per person, I'd imagine).

This is done?  Please give more details.  This sure beats the drive to RGV.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2014, 10:49:18 AM »
(you can rent a shower in a room that is being turned over for a little less than $6 (per person, I'd imagine).

This is done?  Please give more details.  This sure beats the drive to RGV.

Never tried it myself, but apparently others have:

You can also get a shower at the Basin Lodge, provided someone has checked out and before the room has been cleaned and set up for the next guest.

I've heard of this many times, but it has always seemed problematic and almost un-workable. To those that have done this I ask, what exactly did you do to accomplish this?.. go to the lodge counter at 7:00-7:30AM and ask if something is available and then just stand around until it is?..or what?  How much $ to do they charge for this? Did this seem like a regular policy or just employees making a little cash on the side? (clue: Do they offer a receipt?) Did you ever head to the room and find the cleaning crew there already or do they set one room aside and service that room only after the morning shower rush is over?

I would imagine it's subject to room availability and is a regular policy. Feel free to call and verify (432-477-2291).

About the showers: The $5.65 is for an unlimited amount of time in a room in the Chisos Mountain Lodge. As far as I know, there are no coin-operated showers in the Basin. Basically, they let you have access to a Chisos Mountain Lodge room that another guest has already checked out of, but has not yet been cleaned by housekeeping. As long as you are out my 10 am, you can take however long a shower you want. You just ask at the desk at the lodge and they even give you a towel, soap, and shampoo! I was in heaven. I also made myself and drank some of the free coffee that was still in the room. Because of the drought, however, I did limit myself to take a 10 minute shower.

I figured it was worth $5.65 to take an unlimited shower .5 miles away from my campsite, instead of driving 60 miles round trip to take a $1.50 4-minute cold shower in Rio Grande.

@Don H, they told us at the lodge to come by around 10:00 am, although we went on Sunday around 9:30 and didn't have a problem.  It was $5.63 and they let you use a room where the people had checked out but that the cleaning crew had not been in yet.  They even give you a clean towel to use.

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2014, 05:58:19 PM »
(you can rent a shower in a room that is being turned over for a little less than $6 (per person, I'd imagine).

This is done?  Please give more details.  This sure beats the drive to RGV.

I've done it. Not sure I remember how I did it. Probably if you hang out next to the front desk for awhile, they'll be inclined to offer it.

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2014, 07:29:06 PM »
I've done it. Not sure I remember how I did it. Probably if you hang out next to the front desk for awhile, they'll be inclined to offer it.

LOL!  :icon_lol:
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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2014, 09:32:52 PM »
(you can rent a shower in a room that is being turned over for a little less than $6 (per person, I'd imagine).

This is done?  Please give more details.  This sure beats the drive to RGV.

I've done it. Not sure I remember how I did it. Probably if you hang out next to the front desk for awhile, they'll be inclined to offer it.
Well, I guess if I were stinky enough, that might work...  :eusa_think:

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2014, 09:47:39 PM »
"East Side of Mule Ears, West side of Smoky Creek"

This does seem like a long and more or less strenuous hike for a woman with a two-year old on her back -- after a morning kayaking. The great site (flat, smooth, wonderful views, near water) just east of ME spring deserves a look as you hike past.

Of course I forget that you are young and strong!

It should be a lot of fun!

Geezer

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2014, 07:03:16 PM »
I've been to BBNP once before, but it was a long time ago with my boy scout troop.  To preface, I'm an experienced camper in moderate shape.  I wouldn't think twice about doing the outer mountain loop over 3-4 days.

But i'm bringing my wife and a 2 year old on this trip.  I've already purchased a hiking pack where you can have a child ride piggy back and carry a few things.  We're getting our son used to it by hiking around neighborhood parks with him in it.  My wife will likely be the one using this pack when we are on the way to our overnight locations (i'll have a supply pack with tent, food, water, ect), and i'll use it for day trips like the window and lost mine.  I think that our range is about 5 miles a day at a leisurely pace, with 7 miles being a maximum.

Here is the trip I have planned for Late Feb/Early March:
Day 1: Arrive Big Bend, Boquillas Canyon Sand Dunes, Hot Springs?, Zone Camp E08 - Marufo Vega
Day 2: Lost Mine Trail, Zone Camp, N03 - Grapevine Hills, balance Rock
Day 3: Santa Elena Upstream boomerang in kayak, Zone Camp S02 - Mule Ears Trail to East Side/Sandy Creek

Day 4: Chisos Basin Trailhead to Laguna Meadow Trail to Blue Creek Trail BL-2, LM-4(2)
Day 5: Blue Creek Trail to Southwest Rim to Boot Canyon to NorthEast Rim NE-1(2), SW-4
Day 6: Northeast Rim to Boot Canyon to Emory Peak/Toll Mountain TM-1, EP-1(2)
Day 7: Emory Peak to Chisos Basin, Camp in Basin Camp, Find Shower

Day 8: Window Trail, Leave


I think that this is an achievable trip with the difficulty being the Chisos Mountain section 4days/3nights.  It will be short walks, but i'll be carrying most of the water.  It will be difficult to do without a fill at boot springs on day 5 or early day 6.  I'd also like to make it to the top of Emory Peak, with everyone but that will be a play by ear thing.  I chose the Window for the last day out of closeness to the Basin Camp, but I've thought about flipping and Making Lost Mine the last day since the views are so good.  The distances are about the same, but I recall the Window being an easier hike and I think by the end we'll be worn out.  If we skip the window I won't feel so bad.

Hi Newreverie,

good looking itinerary!  I'd agree w/ advice upthread--just be flexible and willing to "go with the flow"… it may turn out that one of those days your wife and/or kid want to just be lazy or a certain destination just isn't going to be reached… probably best to be OK with that.  I look forward to hearing how it all turns out.  Enjoy BIBE! 

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Re: Big Bend Itenerary Too ambitious?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2014, 08:22:21 PM »
Well stated advice, Summit.

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