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Early June BB Itinerary

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Offline matt2396

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Early June BB Itinerary
« on: May 17, 2016, 06:23:39 PM »
Hi everyone, in a few weeks, I will have the pleasure of making my first ever visit to Big Bend. While I've gathered quite a bit of information from this site as well as other places across the web, I'm still looking for suggestions and additions to my itinerary. Keep in mind, we'll will be staying in one of the Roosevelt Cottages in the Basin. On the first day, June 8th, we plan on driving down from Carlsbad, NM. I'm thinking about making the trip up Casa Grande once we get settled in. After that, I imagine we'll be pretty much done for the day. On the next day, we'll travel to the west side of the park, stopping at Burro Mesa, the Mule Ears Overlook, and Tuff Canyon, ending up at Santa Elena Canyon. I wanted to take it easy this day, but man, these all seem like places everyone would stop at. Anyway, at this point, day three will consist of waking up early and driving out to Black Gap Road. Once there, I plan on stopping somewhere near the base of Talley Mountain, and then climbing up the north side. (Right now I am unsure of whether or not Talley is feasible, I keep seeing warnings to limit activity out in the desert during the day.) Upon leaving Black Gap Road, we will travel to Boquillas Canyon, and then Ernst Tinaja on Old Ore Road. I feel as though my day three might be lacking, but we'll probably be exhausted after Talley. I don't have anything planned for day four, it will be a travel day, although, Dog Canyon really intrigues me.

So, I guess I just don't want to go a bunch of places where there will be crowds of people, for example, that's why I chose Casa Grande over Emory. I feel like I have a few too many tourist-y spots picked out, and I would like to change that if possible. If anyone has any tips on making my trip any better, (or less hellish in the 110 degree sun) they would be greatly appreciated.

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Matt

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 06:57:05 PM »
Hi everyone, in a few weeks, I will have the pleasure of making my first ever visit to Big Bend. While I've gathered quite a bit of information from this site as well as other places across the web, I'm still looking for suggestions and additions to my itinerary. Keep in mind, we'll will be staying in one of the Roosevelt Cottages in the Basin. On the first day, June 8th, we plan on driving down from Carlsbad, NM. I'm thinking about making the trip up Casa Grande once we get settled in. After that, I imagine we'll be pretty much done for the day. On the next day, we'll travel to the west side of the park, stopping at Burro Mesa, the Mule Ears Overlook, and Tuff Canyon, ending up at Santa Elena Canyon. I wanted to take it easy this day, but man, these all seem like places everyone would stop at. Anyway, at this point, day three will consist of waking up early and driving out to Black Gap Road. Once there, I plan on stopping somewhere near the base of Talley Mountain, and then climbing up the north side. (Right now I am unsure of whether or not Talley is feasible, I keep seeing warnings to limit activity out in the desert during the day.) Upon leaving Black Gap Road, we will travel to Boquillas Canyon, and then Ernst Tinaja on Old Ore Road. I feel as though my day three might be lacking, but we'll probably be exhausted after Talley. I don't have anything planned for day four, it will be a travel day, although, Dog Canyon really intrigues me.

So, I guess I just don't want to go a bunch of places where there will be crowds of people, for example, that's why I chose Casa Grande over Emory. I feel like I have a few too many tourist-y spots picked out, and I would like to change that if possible. If anyone has any tips on making my trip any better, (or less hellish in the 110 degree sun) they would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt

I doubt crowds will be a big problem in June. I wouldn't recommend climbing Talley unless you get a real early start. The heat may be excessive. Early morning and late afternoon hikes in the desert are ok though. A lot has to do with your conditioning to heat, carrying sufficient water and avoiding the open desert hiking in the middle of the day. Better alternatives would be a trip to the South Rim and Boot Canyon...
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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 08:26:46 PM »
Just be very cautious of your drive time on the back roads, it can take longer than expectedly due to the condition of the road. You did not mention what type of vehicle you will be in. Old ore road and the river road/glenn spring road and black gap are all high clearance recommended, some portions of black gap you will need 4x4 depending on direction of travel. On black gap road 4x4 is primarily needed going east to west from where the glenn spring 1 site is to several miles west of there.

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2016, 09:30:25 PM »
I would second Badknees suggestion of including the South Rim, especially since you're staying in the Basin anyway. Its a long day but a beautiful hike and big payoff. Maybe sub it in instead of Talley ? If the crowds aren't a factor Lost Mine is another great mountain hike. With a shuttle, the Window coupled with  Oak Spring trail and Cattail Falls is another good day.

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2016, 09:42:28 PM »
Sorry, I probably should have mentioned I'll be in a Jeep Wrangler. I'm seriously considering cutting out the Black Gap Road though, the heat seems a little too extreme for a somewhat remote part of the park. If it were any other month, it wouldn't be a question. Cattail Falls sounds like a good substitute, however. Thanks for the advice, everyone!

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2016, 09:10:11 PM »
I don't know, I like it hot. Been out there in every day of every month in the summer.  If you're prepared for it, don't mind sleeping under the stars, it's quite magical.  Don't skip Black Gap.

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2016, 09:55:45 PM »
Don't skip Black Gap.

Ditto!  If one has a Jeep, one must do Black Gap!  It's an unwritten rule (or at least it is for me!)
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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2016, 06:34:04 AM »
Why Black Gap?
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2016, 08:14:43 AM »
Why Black Gap?
Rugged isolation in a Jeep with the top down, doors off, sweaty, dusty, listening to your flavor of tunes, immersed in the most beautiful and beguiling desert mountains in all of the Southwest, the Sierra Quemada. Nothing short of spiritual cleansing.

That is why.

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Offline matt2396

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2016, 09:07:40 AM »
Why Black Gap?
Rugged isolation in a Jeep with the top down, doors off, sweaty, dusty, listening to your flavor of tunes, immersed in the most beautiful and beguiling desert mountains in all of the Southwest, the Sierra Quemada. Nothing short of spiritual cleansing.

That is why.


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Hmm, that's very enticing.
How early do you think I should leave the Basin? It's 26.6 miles to where I need to be, Google Maps claims it's a little over an hour away. Something tells me they don't travel on primitive roads very often.

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2016, 10:32:13 AM »
I'd say an hour from the Basin to the  Black Gap turnoff is about right.
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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2016, 10:55:04 AM »
I'd say an hour from the Basin to the  Black Gap turnoff is about right.
Yes, to the Glenn Springs intersection.

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Re: Early June BB Itinerary
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2016, 12:43:52 PM »
Talley would not be my first choice for a off trail climb.  The top is wide and flat, and the true summit is on the south east corner.  I would climb Nuggent instead.  Park at the pull out up just up stream from Pine Canyon #1 campsite.  Start climbing up the hill right there.  Cross over to the northern side of the big red rock slide, and climb up to the northeastern ridge.  Then traverse to the south east to the true summit of Nuggent.  Usually there are Audad up there.  Should take 1.5 hours up.  Best view in the park for the effort. Very low class 3 climbing for a small part.  My little girl did it at age 6.
 
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