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Offline SA Bill

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« on: October 12, 2006, 10:11:54 PM »
Do laundry tonight to have clean underwear in the wilderness. We all know how important that is!!   :shock:

Friday work at least half a day and then eat usual Friday night dinner with family. PacK the PT Cruiser to the gills.

Saturday, hopefully by 8am, on the road going I10 to GUMO. Two days in GUMO...hike Devil's Hall or Salt Basin or McKittrick Canyon Sunday. Hike Guadalupe Peak Monday.

Tuesday drive to BB. Two full days in BB. No real agenda other than observe stars, weather permitting. Need to go down to Window and try the upper route to Oak Spring (?) since I've never been up there. Any tips?

Friday return home, unpack and have usual Friday dinner with family.

Saturday go to Tx State Football game in San Marcos to see my daughter perform at halftime...she's a Strutter!

Sunday...sleep   all   day!!!

Monday go back to work and start planning the Spring trip to BB.
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 10:17:14 PM »
While I'm not the uh, "decider", that sounds like a fantastic trip.  

My only suggestion....

Forget about work tomorrow, take your family out to breakfast...then HIT THE ROAD!!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 10:34:03 PM »
I've done the round trip, Guad and BB, a couple of times.  I take it you're going through Van Horn and not Pecos, particularly if you're going to the salt flats.

If you do hike into McKittrick canyon it may not kill a day.  If you haven't been to Carlsbad Caverns it's pretty cool, no pun intended, not that far away, and it looks like the bats are still there for an evening flight.  

Have a Great trip!

Not to be tacky and redundant, but we await your pictures!

Al

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 10:44:30 PM »
P.S.  Looks like you ARE going to get some rain. Hope it's spotty!  The Caverns may truly be a desirable option.

Al

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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2006, 01:57:40 PM »
Quote from: "SA Bill"
Do laundry tonight to have clean underwear in the wilderness. We all know how important that is!!   :shock:

Friday work at least half a day and then eat usual Friday night dinner with family. PacK the PT Cruiser to the gills.

Saturday, hopefully by 8am, on the road going I10 to GUMO. Two days in GUMO...hike Devil's Hall or Salt Basin or McKittrick Canyon Sunday. Hike Guadalupe Peak Monday.

Tuesday drive to BB. Two full days in BB. No real agenda other than observe stars, weather permitting. Need to go down to Window and try the upper route to Oak Spring (?) since I've never been up there. Any tips?

Friday return home, unpack and have usual Friday dinner with family.

Saturday go to Tx State Football game in San Marcos to see my daughter perform at halftime...she's a Strutter!

Sunday...sleep   all   day!!!

Monday go back to work and start planning the Spring trip to BB.
  Bill


"TRAIL CLOSURE: The Oak Spring Trail and access to the Lower Cattail Canyon area is closed until further notice due to increased bear activity. The Oak Spring Trail is closed 1/4 mile above the Window pour-off; the access road at Sam Nail Ranch is also closed."   NPS BBNP Website.

Bill, not sure if this pertains to your intended hike, but it kinda looks like it's a no go.
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Re: Submitted For Your Perusal - ShaneA
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2006, 02:12:08 PM »
Quote from: "Don H"
Quote from: "[url=http://www.nps.gov/bibe/daily_report.htm
NPS BBNP Website[/url]"]TRAIL CLOSURE: The Oak Spring Trail and access to the Lower Cattail Canyon area is closed until further notice due to increased bear activity. The Oak Spring Trail is closed 1/4 mile above the Window pour-off; the access road at Sam Nail Ranch is also closed.

Bill, not sure if this pertains to your intended hike, but it kinda looks like it's a no go.

I was wondering if they mean the entire Oak Spring Trail is closed where it connects to the Window Trail 1/4 mile above the pour-off or if they mean it's closed above the pour-off where it crests the ridge and heads down to Oak Spring.  If it's the latter, you could still get up above the pour-off where you can see out over the desert.  Great spot for sunsets if you don't mind hiking back in the dark.

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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 10:32:50 AM »
I've been neglagent lately...  Post dated approval granted.

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Re: Submitted For Your Perusal - ShaneA
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 11:52:16 AM »
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"TRAIL CLOSURE: The Oak Spring Trail and access to the Lower Cattail Canyon area is closed until further notice due to increased bear activity. The Oak Spring Trail is closed 1/4 mile above the Window pour-off; the access road at Sam Nail Ranch is also closed."   NPS BBNP Website.


Can you imagine this kind of closure in Alaska or Montana, where bears are vastly more numerous? You'd never be able to go anywhere since the likelihood of encountering a bear in those locations is pretty much a routine possibility.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 02:38:58 PM »
Well, at least Cattail Falls is getting a little rest from Homo sapiens.

I remember the 1970s when BIBE wouldn't issue a river permit if the Rio Grande was running higher than 5 feet!
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2006, 04:25:16 PM »
Quote from: "Presidio"
Can you imagine this kind of closure in Alaska or Montana, where bears are vastly more numerous? You'd never be able to go anywhere since the likelihood of encountering a bear in those locations is pretty much a routine possibility.


I agree you'd rarely see this kind of closure in those areas where the bears are more numerous, but Big Bend's bear habitat has something those areas don't: a huge, forbidding desert surrounding it. If a bear becomes accustomed to humans in the vast tracts of those northern states, it can be relocated within the same national forest/park/ecosystem, with a chance it may stay in its new range. Or it may simply move on to another portion of the wilderness where there's little chance of further encounters. It's a lot harder to relocate bears in Big Bend since the habitat is so small and isolated -- and the human pathways so well known to them. The only way to preserve the bears is to keep them fearful of humans, and I fear they're losing that fear, based on some of the accounts we've seen here lately and the increased sightings.
Jeff Blaylock
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 01:32:59 PM »
S A Bill............... .

how was the trip?   Pics?

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