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ZuZu Verk

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Offline Txlj

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2017, 08:41:05 AM »
A sad end to such a short life.

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Offline rocketman

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2017, 08:56:26 AM »
I wonder if the discovery of this shallow grave was a direct result of questioning Mr. Estrada after his DWI?
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Offline SA Bill

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2017, 11:23:17 AM »
Bill - In San Antonio

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Growing up is optional.

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Offline badknees

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2017, 01:31:09 PM »
Not all those who wander are lost.
J.R.R. Tolkien

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Offline dprather

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2017, 01:33:03 PM »
At this point, with physical evidence mounting, I'm sure they just want to nail him down so he doesn't skedaddle
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Offline Hang10er

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2017, 04:43:16 PM »
Sometimes arresting for the other charges, which might be easier to prove, allows you to pick them up and hopefully question them.  It might mean you have the probable cause for search warrants as well (the vehicle, an apartment, DNA, etc) Unfortunately, sometimes it backfires since you now have a charge and you Mirandize them, they think more about lawyering up.

Used to be in the business.

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2017, 11:45:00 PM »
This particular Contrarian believes in the death penalty.

Yes, and LIBERALLY applied to those who qualify.
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Offline presidio

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2017, 11:49:36 PM »
Not enough evidence for a murder charge yet I guess?

With him being held on a tampering charge connected to a corpse, it won't be long before that occurs, or the case leads directly to someone else. Regardless, it would appear he's connected somehow.
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Offline Jimbow

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2017, 12:02:39 AM »
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2017, 01:25:49 AM »
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

A life sentence does not mean life in prison without parole. At some point they all come up for parole. Eventually, some number are released. Even Charlie Manson, whose death sentence was commuted to life in prison, has had more than a few parole hearings. He certainly never will be released but there are others that get let go.

I would be more amenable to a "life" sentence if there was never parole consideration, under ANY circumstance. There is nothing these people can do in prison that redeems them one iota from their crimes that would warrant release into society.
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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2017, 01:38:59 AM »
Actually there are life without parole sentences. No parole,  ever. 

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2017, 07:13:06 AM »
Technically, Texas has "life" and Capital Murder.  Most of you are correct in that "life" does not necessarily mean all of one's life.  A life sentence means you have to do 40 years before being eligible for parole (a 1st degree conviction can get you a sentence up to 99 years ).  Capital Murder is punishable by the death penalty.  However, under a Capital Murder charge, you can be sentenced to "Life without Parole".  Life without parole means that you WILL die in prison.  Watch the news and you'll see it's often used as a bargaining chip by the District Attorney.  I don't think Texas always had the life without parole option. 

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2017, 07:38:51 AM »
There have been some indications that the boyfriend's family (brother, and possibly sister and mom) have had some involvement.  If there is guilt, I think that those who might have helped him with any coverup should also take some consequences.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2017, 07:39:39 AM »
There have been some indications that the boyfriend's family (brother, and possibly sister and mom) have had some involvement.  If there is guilt, I think that those who might have helped him with any coverup should also take some consequences.
Absolutely.

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Re: ZuZu Verk
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2017, 07:45:13 AM »
Playing the sleuth (which I am not).

One possible explanation of the few facts that have been publicized is that this is the classic crime of passion.  Not as any kind of justification, but (i) if two young people went some kind of crazy and one of them ended up dead, that is one kind of murder.

It is an entirely other kind of murder (ii) if you go nuts, kill someone, and then lead the authorities and the family of the deceased on a months-long goose chase.

In the first case, some hard time is due.  In the second case, much more hard time is due.

Thus saith a Contrarian.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

 


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