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Title: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on December 13, 2016, 12:27:25 PM
When visiting the bend area at Thanksgiving, we could not get away from the attention being given to the disappearance of ZuZu Verk, the 20-something girl who had vanished from her Sul-Ross area apartment. 

Is there anything new?

My heart goes out to her family.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: jasonmerlo on December 13, 2016, 02:03:43 PM
Just left the park. The signs are still up.


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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Talusman on December 13, 2016, 02:29:03 PM
Nothing new. Lots of leads. Special search teams. Nothing found to date and not enough proof to nail down the number one suspect. Yet.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on December 13, 2016, 02:51:30 PM
Nothing new. Lots of leads. Special search teams. Nothing found to date and not enough proof to nail down the number one suspect. Yet.

Thanks.  While was there at T-giving, a Midland station aired some kind of special about her.  Just awful. 

As I age, the thought of someone of her age and vitality losing her life seems that much more tragic.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Txlj on December 13, 2016, 04:34:07 PM
Very sad for such a small community. I miss Alpine and the area. Enjoyed my time living there. Prayers for the family.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: mr.bean5150 on December 19, 2016, 11:37:23 AM
FYI...

http://www.newswest9.com/story/34087569/grand-jury-reconvenes-in-zuzu-verk-case
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on December 19, 2016, 12:31:39 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: rocketman on January 24, 2017, 08:48:28 PM
Apparently her boyfriend's buddy was arrested a couple days ago on DWI and is being held for questioning. I hope they get this figured out soon. Poor girl. Poor family.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Person-of-interest-in-disappearance-of-Zuzu-Verk-10876842.php#photo-12240236
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Txlj on January 25, 2017, 12:54:13 AM
Amen

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Txlj on January 30, 2017, 04:09:26 PM
Wondering if anyone had any up dates? I couldn't find anything.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Txlj on February 03, 2017, 03:53:59 AM
https://www.gofundme.com/findzuzuverk

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: SA Bill on February 03, 2017, 03:11:47 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Human-remains-found-in-Alpine-10906712.php?ipid=brkbar

Sad if it's her.
  Bill
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: presidio on February 03, 2017, 03:17:39 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Human-remains-found-in-Alpine-10906712.php?ipid=brkbar

Sad if it's her.
  Bill

When someone goes missing and is not found relatively quickly the outcome rarely is good.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Casa Grande on February 03, 2017, 05:56:33 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Human-remains-found-in-Alpine-10906712.php?ipid=brkbar (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Human-remains-found-in-Alpine-10906712.php?ipid=brkbar)

Sad if it's her.
  Bill
I pay for her family.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on February 03, 2017, 09:48:07 PM
Everyone seems to have the same bad feeling.  The only blessing will be the small favor of closure for her family.  This particular Contrarian believes in the death penalty.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Txlj on February 04, 2017, 08:41:05 AM
A sad end to such a short life.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: rocketman on February 04, 2017, 08:56:26 AM
I wonder if the discovery of this shallow grave was a direct result of questioning Mr. Estrada after his DWI?
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: SA Bill on February 04, 2017, 11:23:17 AM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/crime/article/West-Texas-police-arrest-25-year-old-man-in-Zuzu-10908286.php?ipid=artrecirc

Not looking good for the boyfriend.
  Bill
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: badknees on February 04, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/crime/article/West-Texas-police-arrest-25-year-old-man-in-Zuzu-10908286.php?ipid=artrecirc

Not looking good for the boyfriend.
  Bill

Not enough evidence for a murder charge yet I guess?
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on February 04, 2017, 01:33:03 PM
At this point, with physical evidence mounting, I'm sure they just want to nail him down so he doesn't skedaddle
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Hang10er on February 04, 2017, 04:43:16 PM
Sometimes arresting for the other charges, which might be easier to prove, allows you to pick them up and hopefully question them.  It might mean you have the probable cause for search warrants as well (the vehicle, an apartment, DNA, etc) Unfortunately, sometimes it backfires since you now have a charge and you Mirandize them, they think more about lawyering up.

Used to be in the business.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: presidio on February 04, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
This particular Contrarian believes in the death penalty.

Yes, and LIBERALLY applied to those who qualify.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: presidio on February 04, 2017, 11:49:36 PM
Not enough evidence for a murder charge yet I guess?

With him being held on a tampering charge connected to a corpse, it won't be long before that occurs, or the case leads directly to someone else. Regardless, it would appear he's connected somehow.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 05, 2017, 12:02:39 AM
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: presidio on February 05, 2017, 01:25:49 AM
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

A life sentence does not mean life in prison without parole. At some point they all come up for parole. Eventually, some number are released. Even Charlie Manson, whose death sentence was commuted to life in prison, has had more than a few parole hearings. He certainly never will be released but there are others that get let go.

I would be more amenable to a "life" sentence if there was never parole consideration, under ANY circumstance. There is nothing these people can do in prison that redeems them one iota from their crimes that would warrant release into society.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 05, 2017, 01:38:59 AM
Actually there are life without parole sentences. No parole,  ever. 

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Hang10er on February 05, 2017, 07:13:06 AM
Technically, Texas has "life" and Capital Murder.  Most of you are correct in that "life" does not necessarily mean all of one's life.  A life sentence means you have to do 40 years before being eligible for parole (a 1st degree conviction can get you a sentence up to 99 years ).  Capital Murder is punishable by the death penalty.  However, under a Capital Murder charge, you can be sentenced to "Life without Parole".  Life without parole means that you WILL die in prison.  Watch the news and you'll see it's often used as a bargaining chip by the District Attorney.  I don't think Texas always had the life without parole option. 
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on February 05, 2017, 07:38:51 AM
There have been some indications that the boyfriend's family (brother, and possibly sister and mom) have had some involvement.  If there is guilt, I think that those who might have helped him with any coverup should also take some consequences.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 05, 2017, 07:39:39 AM
There have been some indications that the boyfriend's family (brother, and possibly sister and mom) have had some involvement.  If there is guilt, I think that those who might have helped him with any coverup should also take some consequences.
Absolutely.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on February 05, 2017, 07:45:13 AM
Playing the sleuth (which I am not).

One possible explanation of the few facts that have been publicized is that this is the classic crime of passion.  Not as any kind of justification, but (i) if two young people went some kind of crazy and one of them ended up dead, that is one kind of murder.

It is an entirely other kind of murder (ii) if you go nuts, kill someone, and then lead the authorities and the family of the deceased on a months-long goose chase.

In the first case, some hard time is due.  In the second case, much more hard time is due.

Thus saith a Contrarian.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 05, 2017, 07:48:50 AM
The cover up immediately moves it into seriously long time. If it is a conspiracy and cover up I hope there is a group discount.

Your scenario number one works if they turn themselves in and leave the body where she was murdered. Once the body is moved,  no leniency from me.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on February 05, 2017, 08:04:50 AM
This case is getting national run on FOX.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Txlj on February 05, 2017, 08:23:03 AM
The cover up immediately moves it into seriously long time. If it is a conspiracy and cover up I hope there is a group discount.

Your scenario number one works if they turn themselves in and leave the body where she was murdered. Once the body is moved,  no leniency from me.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: SA Bill on February 06, 2017, 07:39:08 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Human-remains-found-in-Alpine-Zuzu-Verk-10912273.php?ipid=brkbar

It's her and more arrests are coming.  :(
  Bill
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: rocketman on February 06, 2017, 08:38:55 PM
So sad. Hope they find the truth and someone pays. No one deserves to have their child taken from them by someone else.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Txlj on February 07, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
May all involved be shown the same mercy she was shown. None. Such a young life ended for no good reason. Now she has been found, may she and her family have peace.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Andreas on February 07, 2017, 04:30:49 PM

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Alpine+Search+Warrant.pdf

and also

http://www.cbs7.com/content/news/412947563.html

Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 07, 2017, 06:36:53 PM
Interesting reading the search warrant. I'm wondering what the remote computing device is,  probably a cell phone.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: badknees on February 07, 2017, 07:43:11 PM
A parent's greatest fear. As a father of 2 daughters, my sympathies go out to the family and my hate to the scumbags.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: rocketman on February 07, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
Thanks for those links Andreas. There is much more to find out, but it's nice to know the direction of the investigation. Things got awful quiet for a few months and it was starting to look like she would never be found. I'm still curious as to what specifically led to their searching that location.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 07, 2017, 08:23:19 PM
"Routine operation" was what they said. Perhaps they just stumbled across the grave.

I'd like to see everyone involved in the cover up in jail.  Best buddy helps hide the body? Give him the cell next door. And the rest of the family down the hall.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: rocketman on February 07, 2017, 08:45:30 PM
I'm not buying that. Too close after Chris got popped for DWI. I'll bet he (or his cell phone) told them where to look. Either way, the bf should be buried in the desert up to his head and let the critters have their way with him.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 07, 2017, 08:49:41 PM
I'm guessing they may be concerned about the legality of the search. 

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: rocketman on February 07, 2017, 08:55:25 PM
Agree. This is one case they want to make sure the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed. Especially with what happened in Terlingua a couple years back. No mistakes or the defense will come up with some crazy sh1t to get him off.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 07, 2017, 09:08:34 PM
I forgot that Glenn's killer wasn't convicted.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: presidio on February 08, 2017, 03:31:25 PM
Perhaps they just stumbled across the grave.

Maybe, maybe not. Linking together everything already known very well may have provided a focus on the location.

Despite things taking what seemed like a long time, real world investigations do not mimic Law & Order or NCIS and their solve-a-crime prowess in 60 minutes each week.

I was surprised at the narrow description of the search warrant. Unless they already had seized cell phones, computers and other electronic data devices, those items now ALWAYS routinely are included in warrants.

The information in the warrant did include references to data obtained from those sources, which may have been acquired via warrant, or voluntary surrender. But, I'm still surprised they were not listed because during the search additional devices might have been discovered, thus requiring an additional warrant authorization to seize.

Witness statements on timeline events and comments made to them by suspects are equally valuable.

It won't take long for the story to fully unravel and the participants to turn on each other.

As the movie poster for Tombstone said: "Justice Is Coming"
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 08, 2017, 03:34:29 PM
Remember they weren't searching,  they just found it as part of a routine operation, or so they claim. That claim seems suspect.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Casa Grande on February 08, 2017, 08:45:03 PM
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

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This is actually one of the few "liberal" views I share.  I do not believe the govt to be competent enough to take a life as punishment, and they never will.

Life without parole, and it does exist, is alive and well.


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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Casa Grande on February 08, 2017, 08:52:42 PM
Remember they weren't searching,  they just found it as part of a routine operation, or so they claim. That claim seems suspect.

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So, I happen to have a very close contact with this investigation.  The area the body was found was on private property in an area not particularly practical to illegals crossing.  The owner of the property called the Border Patrol saying there was possible activity on his property. They came out to plant sensors in the said area.  During the planting process, the body was discovered.  The theory is, they (the killers) were possibly checking on the body in the last few months, which alerted the property owner to the trespassers and he assumed they were illegals.


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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 08, 2017, 08:54:38 PM
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

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This is actually one of the few "liberal" views I share.  I do not believe the govt to be competent enough to take a life as punishment, and they never will.

Life without parole, and it does exist, is alive and well.


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Interesting. I thought thinking the government was incompetent of something was one of the conservative views I had.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 08, 2017, 08:55:33 PM
Thanks for the insight Casa

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Casa Grande on February 08, 2017, 09:06:21 PM
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

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This is actually one of the few "liberal" views I share.  I do not believe the govt to be competent enough to take a life as punishment, and they never will.

Life without parole, and it does exist, is alive and well.


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Interesting. I thought thinking the government was incompetent of something was one of the conservative views I had.

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Lol. True!  I think it's a bit hypocritical to hold a basic view of distrust with the government only to turn around and entrust the same government with properly convicting a person to the point of death. 


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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 08, 2017, 09:34:16 PM
Mine is rooted in the belief that people make mistakes. I prefer to be able to fix the mistake.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: presidio on February 09, 2017, 02:43:35 AM
The owner of the property called the Border Patrol saying there was possible activity on his property. They came out to plant sensors in the said area.  During the planting process, the body was discovered.  The theory is, they (the killers) were possibly checking on the body in the last few months, which alerted the property owner to the trespassers and he assumed they were illegals.

Give dolts/criminals enough rope and they will hang themselves.

With these guys as suspects, it's equally likely a tracking device was placed on their vehicles.

Nothing like a GPS trail to do them in with their own stupidity of returning to the scene of the crime.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Hang10er on February 09, 2017, 07:04:48 AM
I prefer life without parole. I just don't trust our government to kill people.

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This is actually one of the few "liberal" views I share.  I do not believe the govt to be competent enough to take a life as punishment, and they never will.

Life without parole, and it does exist, is alive and well.


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Interesting. I thought thinking the government was incompetent of something was one of the conservative views I had.

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Lol. True!  I think it's a bit hypocritical to hold a basic view of distrust with the government only to turn around and entrust the same government with properly convicting a person to the point of death. 


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It's a jury of your peers that convicts someone, not the government.  But I'm not really sure that's any better.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: Jimbow on February 09, 2017, 07:14:45 AM
True. But it is organized and run by the government. As I said the root of my belief is people make mistakes.

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Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: rocketman on February 09, 2017, 08:23:02 AM
Manslaughter is a mistake, murder is intentional. I don't like the idea of my tax dollars being used to keep murderers well fed for 50-60 years while they contribute absolutely zero to society.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on February 09, 2017, 09:05:56 AM
In fact (sorta), criminals convict themselves with the evidence they leave of the crimes they commit.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: tbone on February 09, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
Manslaughter is a mistake, murder is intentional. I don't like the idea of my tax dollars being used to keep murderers well fed for 50-60 years while they contribute absolutely zero to society.
I'd always heard it was cheaper to keep them locked up for life than to go through all the court stuff in order to execute them.
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: SA Bill on March 17, 2017, 12:47:26 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Police-Boyfriend-indicted-murder-charge-zuzu-verk-11009511.php?ipid=brkbar

No surprise that the boyfriend has been charged. Sad.
   Bill
Title: Re: ZuZu Verk
Post by: dprather on March 17, 2017, 01:23:41 PM
Gracias Bill