[AscenXion]

Hi everyone, I'm new here, but I've lurked once in a while. I just had a quick question. The land in Terlingua Ranch that is not part of any parcels, as per the maps on the POATRI site, who owns it? Is it public land for use by land owners, is it off limits, is it privately owned and not part of Terlingua Ranch?

I hope I made my question clear, and thank you in advance to everyone that helps.

[rgibson]

Some of the land you describe is owned by private individuals and was never part of the Carroll Shelby/David Witt lands and then later owned by the developer, Terramar Corp.

The Texas School Land/General Land Office lands were leased to Terlingua Ranch in the seventies on  a twenty-five year lease.  These lands were designated "Hunt Parks."   When that lease expired the BOD decided not to renew.

The Christmas Mountain situation is a whole 'nuther story and will list the history since the 60's.  Owned by a corportation out of Corpus until bank foreclosed in around '90.  It was under a 25 year lease like the school lands listed above and was also part of the TR Hunt Park lands.  Bank let the lease run until the 25 years were up in maybe '92.  Bank was trying to sell it and I worked with the bank and they would make a great sale with very low financing to Terlingua Ranch for around $18 an acre or around $160k for all 9k plus acres.  Talked with the board members and all thought it would be a good deal for TR, but it just never happened.  Later the nature group bought the Christmas for about $25/acre to donate to the BBNP.     

[AscenXion]

Thank you very much for your help. Just to clarify the point a bit further, though. I'll give the actual example that I was talking about. The area that is directly between Solitario and Agua Fria, that is blank on the POATRI map. Is that only blank because of the mountainous nature of the land, and therefore public property. Or would that be an area that was, as you stated, land that was never part of the original Shelby land deal?

I'm just curious, I would like to explore (once I get there) without being yelled at (or shot ).

Again, thank you for your help.

[rgibson]

Are you looking at the TR maps prepared by a firm out of Corpus?  Is so, they only showed the TR sections and the School Land Sections inholdings.  Alot of the land you refer to is part of the Longhorn Ranch and motel, a Swiss firm owned by the Serwedes  sp?  Hen Egg Mountain is on the Longhorn.  Ranch was leased for years by a local constable/rancher.  There are some other individual owners as you near Agua Fria area.

[AscenXion]

Are you looking at the TR maps prepared by a firm out of Corpus?  Is so, they only showed the TR sections and the School Land Sections inholdings.  Alot of the land you refer to is part of the Longhorn Ranch and motel, a Swiss firm owned by the Serwedes  sp?  Hen Egg Mountain is on the Longhorn.  Ranch was leased for years by a local constable/rancher.  There are some other individual owners as you near Agua Fria area.

sorry it took me so long to reply.

I'm talking about the Poatri maps on their website, that show the different areas and in between them is land that does not have any designation. My thought was that it is because of mountains, I was just confirming that that was a correct assumption.

[Kathleen]

It's all privately owned land. Some on Terlingua Ranch, some patches not. But it is all privately owned.
The only areas that are open to the public (some with permits) are christmas mountains, national and state parks.

Kathleen