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There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...

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Offline beemerchef

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There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« on: October 29, 2009, 07:27:20 PM »
The "no dogs" sign on the Porch is a joke. Even if there is a Lawsuit against the Ivey's about a bite, but that is another story.
Be careful, the might be taken care off, maybe not.
This man "Doug" (not Dr Doug) and his 4 dogs where hanging out the Porch yesterday, his muts chasing cars, a trike, out of control. Leaving, I myself got bit while being chased and now start the formalities with the Sheriff to have his dogs quanrantined and a court apprearance in 10 days. Have a dozen witnesses willing to copperate including Dr Doug.
Too bad that Spirit was on the wrong side. 
I was told the Community had his dogs vaccinated this past summer for some same incident. Rabies do not show up for about 10 days, I might be wise to go and get a shot even if the two puncture marks came through my pants and socks. What do you think? I bit infected right now with much Neosporin on every few hours...
Sad state of affair with their tourist season starting...
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 08:21:50 PM »
Hi Beemerchef,
My husband was bitten on the hand by a dog at a party a few years ago. After washing the wound and using Neosporin, his hand continued to get worse with swelling and pain. After 4 weeks. on the advice of Shanna at White Crane Acupuncture in Alpine, he purchased some grapefruit seed extract from her. Per her instructions he mixed it with orange juice and drank it. He had positive results within 3 days and is sure it was because of the extract. We were amazed the infection cleared up so fast. He would have been at the doctor if it had gone on any longer. We hope this helps you.
I'm so sorry you got hurt and you have every right to be outraged, I know my husband was. I think most of us are responsible dog owners and I would hate to see any laws being enacted because of a few unthinking idiots who just don't know how to behave in a community that believes in personal freedom and resposibility. Good luck dealing with this unfortunate incident.
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 10:06:34 PM »
The scratch is more than enough to get rabies, no joking matter.
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 10:07:53 PM »
Have you tried having the P.A. over at the Lajitas Clinic look at it? I'd definitely have it checked out, if possible.

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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 08:52:28 AM »
I was scratched by a cat about 2 months ago. Had to break up a fight between one of my cats & another unknown cat. Came out of it with a small scratch on my thumb. Don't know which cat inflicted the scratch. Had to call Animal Control later that day to capture the mystery cat, who turned out to be rabid.

It was recommended that I go through the rabies vaccine regimen. Yes, usually rabies is bite-inflicted, carried by saliva, but apparently there are occasions when it can pass via a scratch.

If you choose to ignore it, and you guess wrong, then you will die. That's rabies.

Do you really want to roll the dice (even a 1-100 or 1-1000 chance?) on dying?

Well, I didn't.

Total of 9 shots, 5 the first day, then 1-each over 4 more days, spread out over a month.

I hope you have a low deductable on your health insurance. Each shot is about $600, and apparently the rabies vaccine is in short supply.

Woo-hoo!

Good times... :icon_rolleyes:
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 09:51:47 AM »
Wow... that is bas news about the rabies ($!!!). What Insurance? I am as the many millions without it...
The Sheriff is going to quarantine the dogs and "today" will find out if the dogs have had their shots as I was told this past summer. None is very clear Yes, nothing to joke about... It is on my list today.
Thanks for the support and info.
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 10:06:03 AM »
Yep -- with the initial emergency room visit & a tetanus shot added, total bill came out to about $7000.

Being self-employed, we have a $5000 deductable just to continue to afford our health insurance.  :icon_lol:

You can do the math... :vomit:

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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 10:11:53 AM »
Terlingua doesn't need to have a rabies shot law. Brewester county does or should, but couldn't find it on the Brewseter County webpage.

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Local Rabies Control Authority (Health and Safety Code Chapter 826.017). Mandates that every county have this position.

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Pet Vaccination Requirements
The state of Texas requires that dogs and cats be vaccinated against rabies by 4 months of age and on a 1 year or 3 year basis thereafter depending on the type of vaccine used.* Additionally, when traveling with a dog or cat, have in your possession a rabies vaccination certificate that was signed by a veterinarian. Check with your veterinarian about other vaccines that are available for a wide range of diseases.

All dogs and cats over 3 months of age that are being transported into Texas must have been vaccinated against rabies within the last 12 or 36 months depending on the type of vaccine used.*

Although not required by law, it is recommended that livestock (especially those that have frequent contact with humans), domestic ferrets, and wolf-dog hybrids should be vaccinated against rabies. Again, check with your veterinarian about other available vaccines for these animals.

For an animal to be considered currently vaccinated against rabies, at least 30 days must have elapsed since the initial vaccination and not more than 12 or 36 months (depending on the vaccine used)* can have elapsed since the last vaccination.

* All dogs and cats must receive a second rabies vaccination within one year of receiving their first vaccination, regardless of the type of vaccine used or the age at which the animal was initially vaccinated.

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Texas Rabies Control Act (Texas Health and Safety Code, Chapter 826).  Requires all pet owners to vaccinate (and keep current) their pets against the deadly rabies virus after four months of age.  Class C Misdemeanor with up to $300 fine.

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Dogs Dangerous to Animals (Texas Health and Safety Code Chapter 822 Subchapter B).  The owner or keeper of a dog that the person knows is  accustomed to chase or kill livestock, domestic animals, or fowl may not allow the dog to run at large.  The penalty of the owner who allows his dog to run at large is in violation and can be punished with a fine not to exceed $100.  This law became effective in 1989.

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Keeping a Dangerous Dog (Texas Health and Safety Code Chapter 822 Sub-Chapter D).   A dangerous dog is defined as one that makes unprovoked attacks or  acts like its going to attack a person when it is out of the enclosure which it is being kept.  State of Texas law (Chapter 822.041) states that the owner of a dangerous dog must register the dog with animal control office or the Sheriff Office in areas without an animal control office and restrain the dog at all times on a leash when outside its secure enclosure.  The owner must also purchase a $100,000 liability insurance policy specific for the dog to cover the cost of potential damage to a person.   This law became effective in 1991.

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HB-1355—Known as Lillian’s Law.   This law provides that a dog owner can be held criminally responsible if the dog causes serious bodily injury or death at a location other than the owner’s property in an unprovoked attack during which the owner by criminal negligence failed to secure the dog.

Personally, if I got bit or scratched by an animal and the owner couldn't prove that it had been vaccinated, I'd sue the pants off of them and if it was on the Terlingua front porch, them to.  I'd get my $5000 deductible back and I'd let the insurance company know what happend and they have teams of high priced lawyers just sitting around itching for a fight.  Already on the payroll needing something to do.  There just is NO EXCUSE for animals NOT TO BE VACINATED.  Most counties, animal shelters, organizations, humane societies have some form of a "low cost" "no cost" program to those that can't afford it.  NO EXCUSE.  I love animals and I have a dog and he is always up to date right away once I get the notice and not just on rabies either.

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Sorry ya'll are having insurance woes.  I have good company with you then, I thought I was the only one paying exorbitant rates for very shitty insurance under the State of Texas Risk Pool.  (uninsurable due to 2 hernia surgeries and 4 rounds of kidney stone surgeries and take Rx to prevent kidney stones).  Each lithrotripsy was around $40,000 for a 30 minute procedure and wasn't in the hospital more than 4 hours or so.)  I'm self employed too. 
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 11:26:43 AM »
Hope everything goes good with your bite.  When I was a kid my dog bit a person and the Rabies shot had expired.  They cut my dogs head off and sent it to Austin to see if it had rabies.  Maybe they should do that now.   That was 50 years ago, they may have a better way to tell now.  
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 12:21:23 PM »
Hi Beermerchef,

Sorry to hear about the bite. As far as I know they still cut heads off and send to Austin to check for rabies, so if the dog doesn't have shot records, that might be the next step.

I was reading this post and remembered an article I saw somewhere about rabies shot being good for 3 years, so if the dogs did get their shots but not within the last year you might be ok. http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/annual_vacs.htm This is not the article but it says something about it. I have 3 dogs and they are all up to date with their shots and get their rabies every year. I tend to agree with the article but if you want to travel anywhere, you need current shot records.

Good luck with all,

David
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 01:11:21 PM »
They still cut the animals head off  :icon_cry: to test it to see if it has rabies.  Just because some "master" didn't take care of their animal.   :icon_evil: Friend of mine tried to pick up a cat with big thick welding gloves a few years ago  :eusa_naughty:, and the cat would have nothing of it - jumped on his head and tore into his skull. 

With rabies shots and others these days, my dog only has to have rabies every three years and some others every other year, kennel cough is every year.  Domestic animals are expensive to keep and maintain, but I wouldn't have it any other way.  Just sickens me here in this college town that some college kiddos get dogs and cats and when they graduate or go home for Christmas, they just turn them in or abandon them.   :icon_evil:  As if animals are just "property" and don't have any feelings.   :icon_evil:  College kiddo next door to me had a really nice lab - got it when he was single and loved it to death.  He got a GF and pretty much ignored the dog - he'd be gone for days at a time w/o anyone looking after it.  When he graduate, he just turned it into the animal shelter - I doubt that it got adopted.  He then lied to his dad when he was here to help him pack up and said the dog had jumped the fence and ran away...  :icon_evil:  His dad had told him time and again to not get a dog.   

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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 08:58:10 PM »
Thank you for all the info and the time taken to reply. It is appreciated.
I found out today that because of previous incidents with same dogs (even Dr Doug got bit and nothing was done!) the Community had him vaccinated his Dogs by Dr Sam here this past summer. It is by the way here every thre years, but Spirit's is done yearly! None the less I will be going tomorrow am to double check, it has come from two sure sources.
Because of 5 bypasses, a couple prostate Cancers, yes, uninsurable here also, but... somehow if needed $7000, it is a small price to pay to live. I have learned to go to Emergency Room and be billed... for Life! Will find out much more in the am also through Martin the Sheriff here.
I just cannot believe that they already (The Ivey's) have a law suit against them, and even the Manager of the Outpost sounded, yes very nice, but as she did not know what to do besides "asking" the dog owners not to bring them... I don't think asking is enough... With the money the Ivey's have they could.should hire maybe a Security Guard!
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 09:59:12 PM »
Owner of dog should be responsible, maybe the head of the owner should be shipped for examination. Again rabies is not a risk you should take.
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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2009, 11:21:14 AM »
Deputy Sheriff Paul here did an incredble job yesterday, finding the owner and finding out also through the local vet (RIO VET) that the dog in question had been vaccinated in July. The dog is however quarantined.
But I want to take the time here to "thank you" all for taking the time, the research and posting onto this thread. You are an incredible community as more and more I find out. This has meant a lot to me and as today I am releived (yes, there were some tense times...) I can only hope to in turn pass on your kindness around.

On another note, I met this incredible gentleman last night at a Photographers get together in Terlingua who has been coming to Big Bend for... 40 years!!! His name is Jim Howard, he is a photographer and songwriter/singer. His was kind enough to give me his first CD (he is on his third one now) called Big Bend! I asked him to join here, I think and know you will all enjoy his company, tales, music as he would also enjoy yours...

Be well, and again... "Thank You".

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Re: There is no Rabie shot Law here, or leash for that matter...
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 12:37:19 PM »
Glad things appear to be OK.
John & Tess

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