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Title: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: 1badtk on April 09, 2010, 03:44:26 PM
While standing on the trail leading up to the explanation of the fossils found on the North side of the National Park a low flying jet, (3000-4000ft) passed right over us. Nice twin jet engine 12-15 passenger flew low towards the East straight at the mountains in that area, pulled up and skimmed over the tops and dove back down. I have never seen any jets fly over Big Bend much less any that low. Mostly avoiding any radar in the area, and not doing much on any site seeing at those speeds.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: The Scorpion on April 09, 2010, 10:45:03 PM
I have seen military jets @ 2,000 ft, and an NPS Patrol planes before, and even a helicopter, but never a civilian jet...sounds suspicious

James
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Vince T on April 09, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
A friend of mine was a flight instructor for the USAF out of Del Rio and he told me one of their low-flight routes took them over the park and around to Alpine.
Those T1's look just like Lear jets.
Sounds like yours was heading east...or the opposite direction though.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Al on April 10, 2010, 12:04:59 AM
While standing on the trail leading up to the explanation of the fossils found on the North side of the National Park a low flying jet, (3000-4000ft) passed right over us. Nice twin jet engine 12-15 passenger flew low towards the East straight at the mountains in that area, pulled up and skimmed over the tops and dove back down. I have never seen any jets fly over Big Bend much less any that low. Mostly avoiding any radar in the area, and not doing much on any site seeing at those speeds.

Bet the pilot was formerly military.  Wish I had a jet.  Years ago when we flew to Costa Rica and stopped in Belize, the pilot did a follow the river thing at about a 1,000 feet above the forest for what seemed like at least 5 or 6 minutes then into the airport with a 737.  Wow!

Al
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: MilesOfTexas on April 10, 2010, 12:28:59 AM
While standing on the trail leading up to the explanation of the fossils found on the North side of the National Park a low flying jet, (3000-4000ft) passed right over us. Nice twin jet engine 12-15 passenger flew low towards the East straight at the mountains in that area, pulled up and skimmed over the tops and dove back down. I have never seen any jets fly over Big Bend much less any that low. Mostly avoiding any radar in the area, and not doing much on any site seeing at those speeds.

Last Wednesday, I saw a long sleek jet flying super low when I was on 385 between the Border Patrol station and the Park.  I took a double-take on it, but poof, it was gone.  I think I caught it in one of my photos by accident as well.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: MilesOfTexas on April 13, 2010, 07:05:46 PM
I've seen them several times at Grapevine Hills. They were fly from west to east and looked like low flying lear jets to me..

I thought about it being a lear at first, but three things bothered me about that thought. One, I was pretty darn close to it and heard nothing at all. Two, the fuselage seemed too long and narrow, and I didn't see any windows. Three, it sured seemed mighty close to the ground and the hills to be a civilian craft. My next thought was if it might be a drone being used by the Border Patrol.

I can see it being one of these painted a dark color.
(http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040625/040626_borderPatrols_hmed_8p.hmedium.jpg)

Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: 1badtk on April 14, 2010, 09:09:56 AM
Well this one was White and had windows, seamed a little thick in the mid body, two jet engines mounted at the rear each side of the tail, and was quite LOUD as it passed. We watched as it headed straight for the mountains in the East like it was going to crash. The it took a straight up power on climb and over the mountain, and back down on the other side. Brought a little relief as it did that, didn't hit the mountain, because we were so sure it was going to.
Not a drone, not a boarder patrol, not a military trainer, had to be private or charter jet. I had a camera but dimwittedly chose to watch thru the binoculars.(sp) It was also on Friday the 9th of April around 10:00am, but I do remember hearing another one on Wednesday and asking ourselves, "was that a jet?"
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: bdann on April 14, 2010, 10:54:34 AM
Could have been a Gulfstream operated by the US military or other government agency.  C-37a and C-20s are all variants of Gulfstream III, IV, and V aircraft.  From the ground, they would look like any other private or civilian Gulfstream jet.  Who knows though.  :icon_question:
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: MilesOfTexas on April 14, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
Well this one was White and had windows, seamed a little thick in the mid body, two jet engines mounted at the rear each side of the tail, and was quite LOUD as it passed. We watched as it headed straight for the mountains in the East like it was going to crash. The it took a straight up power on climb and over the mountain, and back down on the other side. Brought a little relief as it did that, didn't hit the mountain, because we were so sure it was going to.
Not a drone, not a boarder patrol, not a military trainer, had to be private or charter jet. I had a camera but dimwittedly chose to watch thru the binoculars.(sp) It was also on Friday the 9th of April around 10:00am, but I do remember hearing another one on Wednesday and asking ourselves, "was that a jet?"

Ahh.  I guess what I saw was completely different than what you saw.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: MilesOfTexas on April 14, 2010, 08:03:06 PM
This was really tiny in my image, so small at first I thought I had dust on my sensor, but here is a crop of the section to show what I saw.  I really think this was a border patrol drone, but I am open to other ideas ....

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/mot_2010_04_02_307-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: trtlrock on April 14, 2010, 11:28:16 PM
I've seen them several times at Grapevine Hills.  They were fly from west to east and looked like low flying lear jets to me..


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Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Al on April 14, 2010, 11:52:55 PM
They could be a Lear but that would surprise me.  I've only flown on a Lear once, many years ago.  I remember exclaiming upon takeoff,  "Go vertical!".  The acceleration, compared to a commercial jet, is incredible.  They are designed to go high and go fast but have limited range particularly at low altitude.  Could be but would not be a jet of choice to fly low and "slow".

Al
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Terlingua50337 on April 15, 2010, 06:50:05 AM
I hope you don’t mind Miles of Texas but I took the liberty of downloading your photo for further analysis. Being a conspiracy theorist of sorts I ran this photo through a gamut of sophisticated software to see if there was anything we might be missing. Sure enough when I ran it through some proprietary software known as “Re-Visualize” what was once cloaked is now visible. Obviously the low unidentified flying object you saw was meant to be cloaked. You can rest assured that “it” saw you and scanned you into a database somewhere. Having not only seen it but also photographed it you may want to consider going “underground”.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: MilesOfTexas on April 15, 2010, 07:04:54 AM
I hope you don’t mind Miles of Texas but I took the liberty of downloading your photo for further analysis. Being a conspiracy theorist of sorts I ran this photo through a gamut of sophisticated software to see if there was anything we might be missing. Sure enough when I ran it through some proprietary software known as “Re-Visualize” what was once cloaked is now visible. Obviously the low unidentified flying object you saw was meant to be cloaked. You can rest assured that “it” saw you and scanned you into a database somewhere. Having not only seen it but also photographed it you may want to consider going “underground”.

Naw, I don't mind.

Oh WOW, so THAT's why the border patrol agent at the hwy 385 checkpoint said I looked familiar!  Where do you hide?  :rolling:
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: MilesOfTexas on April 15, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Maybe they are searching for the "waterworks"!?

Now that's an idea!  Bring a remote controlled plane with a wireless camera to fly out in the area you want to explore, haha.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: presidio on April 22, 2010, 11:20:28 AM
This was really tiny in my image, so small at first I thought I had dust on my sensor, but here is a crop of the section to show what I saw.  I really think this was a border patrol drone, but I am open to other ideas ....

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/mot_2010_04_02_307-2.jpg)

Clearly, that is an alien spacecraft. You don't think all those Terlingua residents are humanoid, do you?

As to the low-flying jet. Very likely could be US Customs.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Lechuguilla on May 04, 2010, 01:31:57 PM
It's Lajitas. I know of one guy who was a member there who used to fly his jet incredibly low. Lajitas jets fly too low over my house every day.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: mediopelo on May 04, 2010, 02:45:03 PM
In years past I have seen a U. S. Customs twin-engine small jet like the one described here many times flying low over the park. Also B1 and B51 bombers flying very low from west to east not far north of Persimmon Gap.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: iCe on July 27, 2010, 11:18:26 AM
I saw a black INS helicopter skipping through the dew last Saturday. I was at the Mariscal Mine, standing next to the first condenser, and I heard what I thought was a light aircraft coming. I pulled out my little video camera and managed to get a video of it flying by. Unfortunately I shut it off just before it pulled up, turned around, and flew straight at me. It flew by, obviously checking me out, probably a hot chick flying :-) , and then flew on to the east. I could hear it going down the river as I walked back to my truck. I'll try to put the video on tube tonight and put a link here.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Undertaker on July 27, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
Was parked outside of La Kiva a couple years ago :rolling: :rolling:
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: iCe on July 27, 2010, 07:59:09 PM
I got to do that a couple of times. Once I got to sit in the right seat while we were zipping along in the jet stream. Even though I have a pilots license and the chief pilot said I could "fly" I chose not to touch anything. The Lear 25 aint' no C182.

On the same trip we flew from Denver to Carlsbad, NM, to Oklahoma City, OK and back to Denver. It was just me and the pilots on the way to Denver. I watched them shoot an ILS to minimums in blowing snow... It was amazing. Max performance takeoff can't be described but it's a heck of a ride  :icon_lol: I will always remember the chief pilot handling the radio in the right seat and the other pilot's conversation. The tower kept trying to get them to lower their altitude on the approach. The pilot in command said "they've asked us to change altitude twice. What do you think?" the chief pilot said "f'em (no abbreviation), they ain't flying this thing and there are two radio towers out here somewhere that we are above right now" he then got on the radio and politely told them that he was going to maintain present altitude until clear of the area of the radio towers. That's how you become an old pilot...

I've seen them several times at Grapevine Hills.  They were fly from west to east and looked like low flying lear jets to me..


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Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Flash on August 19, 2011, 10:30:26 PM
I've seen them several times at Grapevine Hills. They were fly from west to east and looked like low flying lear jets to me..

I thought about it being a lear at first, but three things bothered me about that thought. One, I was pretty darn close to it and heard nothing at all. Two, the fuselage seemed too long and narrow, and I didn't see any windows. Three, it sured seemed mighty close to the ground and the hills to be a civilian craft. My next thought was if it might be a drone being used by the Border Patrol.

I can see it being one of these painted a dark color.
(http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040625/040626_borderPatrols_hmed_8p.hmedium.jpg)

My son and I while gazing from the South Rim last week, saw a small low-flying plane coming in from the west, over the Sierra Quemada, heading for Elephant Tusk. He was low enough, I thought the plane would pass behind Elephant Tusk, but in fact it passed in front of it, and from our vantage point, the plane appeared to be lower than the top of Elephant Tusk. It swung gracefully around the peak and headed southward toward the River, where we lost sight of it. It looked like a lightweight, mid-wing, prop plane with a V-tail. Now you have me wondering if it might have been a drone instead.  :eusa_think:
Title: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Casa Grande on August 19, 2011, 10:35:38 PM
That's a cool story!
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Al on August 19, 2011, 10:45:56 PM
Imagine hiking up and over a hill from camp while zone camping near Elephant Tusk (one of the most remote areas in the USA), having just dug a sufficient cat hole, squatting down and relaxing with Ziplock bag and TP at hand to then look up and see one of those things.  Talk about eliminating one's sense of remoteness!*

Al

* No pun intended . . .
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Flash on August 20, 2011, 09:30:52 AM
Ha!  :icon_lol:

Later, on the Southwest Rim, we saw a Beachcraft, Cessna, or whatever do a flyover of the Rim, what I guessed to be "the Park plane".  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: BBNewb on August 22, 2011, 03:48:10 PM
I caught this Air Force lear jet at Grapevine Hills when I was there in July.  It was close enough that I could read the tail numbers from the photo.  It was going west to east and made 2 passes or there were 2 of them (only got picts on the second pass).

https://picasaweb.google.com/watjepeter/BigBendNPJuly152011#5636861681786276642



Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Al on August 22, 2011, 05:12:51 PM
It may have been these guys:

http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=123 (http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=123)

Al
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: TxAg93 on August 22, 2011, 10:17:29 PM
Stingrey and I saw a two flight of T-1A Jayhawks playing follow the leader while flying under 1000' AGL outside of Sanderson on our way back to San Antonio on August 17.  Couldn't make out the base tail-letters but they were probably out of Laughlin AFB.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: DerrickB on February 07, 2012, 07:14:11 PM
Buddy and I got buzzed by a super cool B1 in December.  Pretty sweet action!!
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: tusker on January 10, 2015, 03:27:48 PM
A friend just jogged my memory with pictures of F18s that buzzed him yesterday in Death Valley.

Thirty years ago, he and I had arrived in the BiBe late one afternoon and decided to walk down to the Chimneys to sleep.  We climbed up on the shelf on the west end of Kit Mountain about dark and camped there.   Next morning we summited Kit to shake off a whiskey daze.  Just as we scrambled over the edge onto the top, two military trainers of some sort blew directly over us from the west at very low altitude and scared the daylights out of us.  We never heard or saw them coming until we felt our teeth rattle.  Instant hangover cure.
Title: Re: Low Flying Jet?
Post by: Homer Wilson on January 10, 2015, 04:35:15 PM
My friend did his pilot training at Laughlin in del rio. They'd do a lot of their low level flying and tests in the area between sanderson and marathon. Apparently there's some cool canyons back in there. Some training wings probably do their flying closer to bb.