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Drug Smugglers

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Offline Flash

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2012, 02:25:02 PM »
They were outfitters standing by to prepare a gourmet meal for the next party coming through...  :icon_cool:

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Offline trtlrock

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2012, 02:36:39 PM »
What do you think, people south of the border only hike with day-packs?

uh yeah -- that's obviously what I was implying...

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John & Tess

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Offline Reece

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2012, 03:07:42 PM »
It makes for a snazzy subject line but unless you really know, it's a bit of a stretch. The only drug smugglers (marijuana, which because of the bulk would be the only reason for a large pack) I've ever run across down south were happy to share.

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Offline lbedill18

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2012, 03:54:54 PM »
When you're in the middle of a 10 day trip, about 70 miles from the highway and you turn around and there's 6 guys lined up across the river on the mexican side with backpacks stuffed so fat that they extend two feet over their heads and about a foot off the ground, and when there's a guy dressed in camo standing in front of them giving you a mean look, I think it's ok to 'profile' aka determine what is going on so you can act in a way that won't get you in some serious trouble. That also explains why I wasn't about to stick my camera in their faces and get more footage.

I'm sorry if anybody here has been profiled before. I'm sure it sucks but this profiling that we had to do is different from the profiling that might happen on the highway for example.

Also, the other group we saw about a half a mile downstream were trying to hide from us. It was pretty funny watching them try to hide in behind these small bushes with those big ass backpacks. I don't think they'd be trying to hide if they had nothing to hide.

All this being said, I don't think those guys with the backpacks were necessarily bad guys. I've been told that many of them are forced to do this. Told that their families will get killed, etc. To me, that's the saddest part about it.

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Offline lbedill18

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2012, 04:01:33 PM »
And for the people who want to go on the lower canyons trip. I recommended the trip to a friend, who went on it last spring break. His group saw the same stuff at the same spot, ran the rapid at hot springs just like we did after thinking they'd camp there, but ended up folding a canoe on a rock.

So you might try and plan around that one area.

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Offline Reece

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2012, 04:14:43 PM »
That sounds like they each had a full bale strapped to their back. For you inquisitive ones, that's usually 20 k's or about 50 lbs.

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Offline Infosec

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2012, 06:20:03 PM »
I would have subscribed to the theory that the were Mexican Soldiers from their vaunted mountain regiment out on a training exercise. But, I you say they are drug smugglers, I buy that too.
I guess if they a towel wrapped on their heads we would have said that we spotted the Taliban try to cross the border.

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Offline Hoodoo

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2012, 08:34:39 PM »
Doing a little research I found this River Camping Advisory from the NPS.

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To minimize confrontations between boaters, vehicle campers, ranchers, Mexican military, fisherman, smugglers, and day use visitors, river trips are advised against camping in areas that are accessible by vehicle on either side of the river. Camping at these sites on the Texas side is prohibited, and is strongly discouraged on the Mexican side of the river.

These sites include the following stretches of river:

    Upstream end of the Santa Elena Canyon nature trail to a point of a mile downstream of Castolon.
    Any of the backcountry car camp sites along the river road at the river (unless a separate permit for the site has been secured).
    Within a mile of the San Vicente crossing.
    From mile upriver of Tornillo Creek to the downstream end of the Boquillas Canyon trail.
    The private property in the vicinity of the Adams ranch headquarters (without prior approval).
    The private property in the vicinity of Heath Canyon ranch (without prior approval).
    Any of the fish camps along the Rio Grande within the Black Gap Wildlife Management Area.
    The Mexican Hotsprings at San Rocendo canyon.
    The private boat launch at Bone Watering.
    Within a mile upstream or downstream of Fosters Weir.
    Additionally any areas that appear to be inhabited or are being cultivated, or developed on either side of the river should be avoided.

Visitors should report any problems, or unusual activity to park dispatch at (432) 477-2251

Looks like the hot springs are already known for frequent visits and perhaps crossings.
 
Don
Don
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Offline Buck

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2012, 09:49:10 PM »
"Really phukin uneasey..."

Yeah, I've had that feeling once or twice myself  :icon_wink:
"Hey, how 'bout a Fandango..?"

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Offline Flash

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Re: Drug Smugglers
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2012, 08:16:44 AM »
Doing a little research I found this River Camping Advisory from the NPS.

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    The Mexican Hotsprings at San Rocendo canyon.

Looks like the hot springs are already known for frequent visits and perhaps crossings.
 
Don

Here is a map (click on it to enlarge)...


I found at this site:

Lower Canyons Heath Canyon Ranch to Langtry

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Offline lbedill18

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Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2012, 03:12:01 PM »
Thanks for sharing glimpses into an epic adventure!  :icon_cool:
Where did you put in at? How far down did you guys go? Dryden?  :eusa_think:
What were those shelters along the way?  :eusa_doh:
Inquiring minds want to know...  :eusa_eh:

We put in at La Linda and got out at Dryden.

 


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