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Title: Drug Smugglers
Post by: lbedill18 on July 24, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
Went on a river trip through the Lower Canyons in January. Just recently finished editing a river trip video. The part where we run into drug smugglers is about half way through the video. Canon 7d. Tokina Wide Angle Lens. Enjoy!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=750EqmvcFqE
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: Flash on July 24, 2012, 06:50:23 PM
Thanks for sharing glimpses into an epic adventure!  :icon_cool:
Where did you put in at? How far down did you guys go? Dryden?  :eusa_think:
What were those shelters along the way?  :eusa_doh:
Inquiring minds want to know...  :eusa_eh:
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: Hoodoo on July 24, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
Enjoy!!!!

Enjoy I did!

I so want to do this trip…no, I MUST do this trip.

Thanks for sharing.  :eusa_clap:

Don
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: trtlrock on July 24, 2012, 07:47:30 PM
Awesome. 

Yeah -- those smugglers would've freaked me out.
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: Al on July 24, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
Luke, thanks!  I've wanted to do that trip for many years and just haven't made it happen. 

Al
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: DuneYeti on July 25, 2012, 06:58:58 AM
Excellent, now how am I suppose to get any work done today?
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 25, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
Very nice, and I really dig the soundtrack!  What a great trip.
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: bjbriggs on July 25, 2012, 02:40:59 PM
Kool ! Nothing like a river trip !
Title: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: Casa Grande on July 25, 2012, 02:55:48 PM
Nice camera work. 
Title: Drug Smugglers
Post by: lbedill18 on July 25, 2012, 03:22:18 PM
Moderators: This is where this video should be. You should remove the rest and keep this one.

Ran into some drug smugglers in January on the Lower Canyons. The video below has some brief footage of them, but I wasn't about to stick a camera in their faces in such a remote place. This part starts on 6:05, and the rest of the video is of the other parts of my trip. Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=750EqmvcFqE
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Reece on July 26, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
How do you know they were drug smugglers? Did they share?
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 26, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
Where can I score a recording of the Dirt Flood song that plays in the latter half of the video?  I tried googling him, but could not find anywhere to download a copy of that song.  Help a brother out.
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Homer67 on July 26, 2012, 01:10:35 PM
Good question, Reece.  Was the call made, perhaps, on their appearance? 

I seem to get profiled quite a bit when I am in the park.  But they can search me all they want.  I do have a problem with getting pulled over for a 48 in a 45, though. It is hard to keep it under 45 when on some of the downhills, and that's where I get pulled over --- usually a couple miles west of PJ.

It's happened so often, I expect it now.
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: trtlrock on July 26, 2012, 02:05:50 PM
How do you know they were drug smugglers? Did they share?

I think they spoke of 2 groups of five or so people, all of them carrying humongous packs. And it doesn't look like they were following any established hiking trails, and they weren't in BiBe or BBRSP either.

Sure, it's stereotyping, but I'd say that puts the probabilities of illegal activity well above 90%...
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Reece on July 26, 2012, 02:19:19 PM
What do you think, people south of the border only hike with day-packs?
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Flash on July 26, 2012, 02:25:02 PM
They were outfitters standing by to prepare a gourmet meal for the next party coming through...  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: trtlrock on July 26, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
What do you think, people south of the border only hike with day-packs?

uh yeah -- that's obviously what I was implying...

 :icon_rolleyes:

Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Reece on July 26, 2012, 03:07:42 PM
It makes for a snazzy subject line but unless you really know, it's a bit of a stretch. The only drug smugglers (marijuana, which because of the bulk would be the only reason for a large pack) I've ever run across down south were happy to share.
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: lbedill18 on July 26, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
When you're in the middle of a 10 day trip, about 70 miles from the highway and you turn around and there's 6 guys lined up across the river on the mexican side with backpacks stuffed so fat that they extend two feet over their heads and about a foot off the ground, and when there's a guy dressed in camo standing in front of them giving you a mean look, I think it's ok to 'profile' aka determine what is going on so you can act in a way that won't get you in some serious trouble. That also explains why I wasn't about to stick my camera in their faces and get more footage.

I'm sorry if anybody here has been profiled before. I'm sure it sucks but this profiling that we had to do is different from the profiling that might happen on the highway for example.

Also, the other group we saw about a half a mile downstream were trying to hide from us. It was pretty funny watching them try to hide in behind these small bushes with those big ass backpacks. I don't think they'd be trying to hide if they had nothing to hide.

All this being said, I don't think those guys with the backpacks were necessarily bad guys. I've been told that many of them are forced to do this. Told that their families will get killed, etc. To me, that's the saddest part about it.
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: lbedill18 on July 26, 2012, 04:01:33 PM
And for the people who want to go on the lower canyons trip. I recommended the trip to a friend, who went on it last spring break. His group saw the same stuff at the same spot, ran the rapid at hot springs just like we did after thinking they'd camp there, but ended up folding a canoe on a rock.

So you might try and plan around that one area.
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Reece on July 26, 2012, 04:14:43 PM
That sounds like they each had a full bale strapped to their back. For you inquisitive ones, that's usually 20 k's or about 50 lbs.
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Infosec on July 26, 2012, 06:20:03 PM
I would have subscribed to the theory that the were Mexican Soldiers from their vaunted mountain regiment out on a training exercise. But, I you say they are drug smugglers, I buy that too.
I guess if they a towel wrapped on their heads we would have said that we spotted the Taliban try to cross the border.
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Hoodoo on July 26, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
Doing a little research I found this River Camping Advisory (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/river-camping.htm) from the NPS.

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To minimize confrontations between boaters, vehicle campers, ranchers, Mexican military, fisherman, smugglers, and day use visitors, river trips are advised against camping in areas that are accessible by vehicle on either side of the river. Camping at these sites on the Texas side is prohibited, and is strongly discouraged on the Mexican side of the river.

These sites include the following stretches of river:

    Upstream end of the Santa Elena Canyon nature trail to a point ¾ of a mile downstream of Castolon.
    Any of the backcountry car camp sites along the river road at the river (unless a separate permit for the site has been secured).
    Within a ½ mile of the San Vicente crossing.
    From ½ mile upriver of Tornillo Creek to the downstream end of the Boquillas Canyon trail.
    The private property in the vicinity of the Adams ranch headquarters (without prior approval).
    The private property in the vicinity of Heath Canyon ranch (without prior approval).
    Any of the fish camps along the Rio Grande within the Black Gap Wildlife Management Area.
    The Mexican Hotsprings at San Rocendo canyon.
    The private boat launch at Bone Watering.
    Within a ½ mile upstream or downstream of Fosters Weir.
    Additionally any areas that appear to be inhabited or are being cultivated, or developed on either side of the river should be avoided.

Visitors should report any problems, or unusual activity to park dispatch at (432) 477-2251

Looks like the hot springs are already known for frequent visits and perhaps crossings.
 
Don
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Buck on July 26, 2012, 09:49:10 PM
"Really phukin uneasey..."

Yeah, I've had that feeling once or twice myself  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Drug Smugglers
Post by: Flash on July 27, 2012, 08:16:44 AM
Doing a little research I found this River Camping Advisory (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/river-camping.htm) from the NPS.

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    The Mexican Hotsprings at San Rocendo canyon.

Looks like the hot springs are already known for frequent visits and perhaps crossings.
 
Don

Here is a map (click on it to enlarge)...
(http://southwestpaddler.com/images/RioGrandemap81.gif)

I found at this site:

Lower Canyons Heath Canyon Ranch to Langtry (http://southwestpaddler.com/docs/riogrande8.html)
Title: Re: LOWER CANYONS RIVER TRIP VIDEO
Post by: lbedill18 on August 09, 2012, 03:12:01 PM
Thanks for sharing glimpses into an epic adventure!  :icon_cool:
Where did you put in at? How far down did you guys go? Dryden?  :eusa_think:
What were those shelters along the way?  :eusa_doh:
Inquiring minds want to know...  :eusa_eh:

We put in at La Linda and got out at Dryden.