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Moss Well - April 27, 2018

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Offline Flash

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Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« on: May 06, 2018, 09:10:30 PM »
On this particular Friday, I stopped at the Bear & Mountain Lion Country pullout on the Basin Road.  This 1/2 mile as-the-crow-flies hike was beckoning me, so I thought I would do this one and then head over to explore around Sam Nail Ranch as previously planned.



I was guessing that Moss Well was somewhere near those trees in the distance.



Example of the sort of brush I had to deal in order to approach the published coordinates for Moss Well.



The pump head was laying on the ground about 65 feet away from the published location of the well. Although I circled about the best I could, there was no sign of a well of any sort.



Easier to see after I cleared away the dead stuff that had grown (and died) over it.



Another example of the foliage around the greater Moss Well area. I am thinking this stuff must have died en masse during the 2010-11 draught...



Due to the tortuous nature of the route followed, I hiked 2.7 miles total and was gone for a little under 3-1/2 hours.



Don't advise going here unless you like stomping through dead brush and losing a little blood in the process. Now that I am home I see in Google Earth that there may be possible ruins I missed by 50 or 75 feet but never caught sight of them.


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« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 08:47:17 AM by Flash »

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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2018, 10:16:26 PM »
I guess Moss well is near Moss Spring ? I see the spring (on Lance's GE) but no well is marked.  I also presume (probably incorrectly) that the unseen ruins were near the well/spring ?  Finding that old pump out there is pretty cool. I wonder who Moss was ?

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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2018, 10:38:34 PM »
That 2.7 miles probably would have taken me all day. That kind of terrain is really slow going for me. Were you able to explore around Sam Nail? I have made two attempts to find the "rock hut" behind Sam Nail that is indicated on Google Earth annotated by Lance, and have failed each time.  >:(
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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2018, 12:53:01 PM »
I guess Moss well is near Moss Spring ? I see the spring (on Lance's GE) but no well is marked.  I also presume (probably incorrectly) that the unseen ruins were near the well/spring ?  Finding that old pump out there is pretty cool. I wonder who Moss was ?
Alan, I saw that marker in GE after I returned and wished I had that waypoint with me also, but it is only about 60-70 feet away from either the pump head or the Moss Well waypoint I had.  The Moss Well coordinates I was using originally come from the infamous wildlife habitat paper we often reference around here. Not sure where Lance's point may have come from but it appears to be very close by in the nearest drainage. My alleged ruins, which may or may not exist, are a small rectangular fuzzy blob that appears to throw shadows like a worn down adobe/stone ruin might.  Moss was the father of John Moss who married Sam Nail's daughter Julia, hence Julia Nail Moss. The only other sign I found were several scattered rusty paint cans and a few 12 oz. steel drink cans with triangular punches.

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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2018, 01:00:08 PM »
That 2.7 miles probably would have taken me all day. That kind of terrain is really slow going for me. Were you able to explore around Sam Nail? I have made two attempts to find the "rock hut" behind Sam Nail that is indicated on Google Earth annotated by Lance, and have failed each time.  >:(
Imre, the hike involved crossing 5 or 6 washes of which 2 or 3 were deep enough to call a ravine. Between them, on the gravel terraces, I crossed a couple sotol forests (stalks not up yet). It was the last 1/3 toward the well that took so much patience and had so many false starts weaving through the brush.  No, I never got back to Sam Nail this trip. The rock hut was one of my targets, if it still exists at all, along with a couple springs and some odd blobs of vegetation. Maybe in July...

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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2018, 01:26:01 PM »
 :great: Flash, I always get excited when I see you fixate on a spot. I know you'll keep coming back until you squeeze every bit of meaning out of it. I love that about your style and your posts. Looking forward to more on this spot.

Maybe in July...

 :icon_lol: Don't hurt yourself.


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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2018, 02:52:16 PM »
Maybe in July... ............ I hear its hot out there in July

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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2018, 02:58:10 PM »
That 2.7 miles probably would have taken me all day. That kind of terrain is really slow going for me. Were you able to explore around Sam Nail? I have made two attempts to find the "rock hut" behind Sam Nail that is indicated on Google Earth annotated by Lance, and have failed each time.  >:(

The Stone Hut has also eluded me. Me and 2 others spent a morning wandering around out there looking to no avail. The brush/cacti was very dense and limited sight as well as one's path. But, based on the gps trax we thought we should have seen it. When I later talked to Lance he wasn't sure it still exists. I'll bet if its still standing Flash will find it -

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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2018, 03:11:34 PM »
I seem to remember that JamesB aka "The Scorpion", may have been to Moss well once. I searched a bit but didn't find anything. Maybe he'll chime in?
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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2018, 07:40:10 PM »
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The Stone Hut has also eluded me. Me and 2 others spent a morning wandering around out there looking to no avail. The brush/cacti was very dense and limited sight as well as one's path. But, based on the gps trax we thought we should have seen it. When I later talked to Lance he wasn't sure it still exists.
An earlier version of Google Earth allowed us to compare the current satellite map with several earlier generations, going back to about 1992 I think. (Anyone know how to toggle this feature, if it's still available?) When I checked the water course at the GPS coordinates for that stone hut it appeared the main channel moved from one side of the hut to the other. So I wouldn't expect it to be standing, just a pile of rocks. If it's not too hot in May I'll take another look.
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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2018, 08:10:27 PM »
An earlier version of Google Earth allowed us to compare the current satellite map with several earlier generations, going back to about 1992 I think. (Anyone know how to toggle this feature, if it's still available?)

Still there.

Use the date slider.
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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 09:02:24 AM »
Im going to check this spot out in August


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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2018, 09:40:18 AM »

Im going to check this spot out in August


The well/spring or the rock hut? Either way, go for it!  8)

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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2018, 02:27:21 PM »

Im going to check this spot out in August


The well/spring or the rock hut? Either way, go for it!  8)
Both... this post really got my interest up. I would love to see that old pump.


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Re: Moss Well - April 27, 2018
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2018, 01:20:50 PM »
The "Rock Hut" was marked on old topographical maps from the 1930s. I added it to the GE project hoping to go out and find it one day. Sounds like it no longer exists.



As for Moss Spring, that came from the spring data floating around years ago. A lot of those springs coordinates were marked in the general vicinity, not exact location.  I did notice that the old historical topo has "Moss Well" marked on the map.



If you want Google Earth overlays, including historical ones, check out this post.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2018, 01:25:54 PM by Lance »

 


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