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Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016

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Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« on: December 15, 2016, 10:40:07 PM »
On Saturday Dec. 10th, hiked from Juniper Canyon Trailhead to a gravel bench 1/4 mile below Lower Juniper Spring. Dropped my pack at my campsite and proceeded the rest of the way to the spring with my water collection gear in a summit pack. Water was running at a steady trickle from below the red boulder with the white stripes on it. Dipped water out of a deep pool with a measuring cup and collected 4 liters for the next couple days.

Note: In my opinion, this is not water to go searching for under duress. It takes a lot of effort and decent route-finding skills to reach the water from the Dodson. There is no real trail and the terrain gets rougher nearer to the water. Better to backtrack to Upper Juniper Spring or hit the trailhead bear box or even Dodson Spring, because that way you would stay close to the trail and the possibility of help.

Will post a few pictures hopefully this weekend...

- Flash
« Last Edit: December 16, 2016, 08:00:34 PM by Flash »

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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 06:15:07 AM »
Thanks for that report and for the candid opinion about its usefulness to OML hikers.  Can't wait to see the pictures

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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 08:20:45 AM »
Did you finally do your trip above the springs and over to Upper Juniper?
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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 08:32:12 AM »
Thanks Flash. Hope you post some pictures. I don't think I've ever seen any of Lower Juniper before.
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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 08:37:07 PM »
Did you finally do your trip above the springs and over to Upper Juniper?
I'll go into that in my trip report...  ;)

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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 09:24:43 PM »
Lower Juniper Spring is located in the canyon to the left (south) of the double-crowned foothill below the point of the SE/NE Rim.  Knowing this, the correct canyon can be distinguished from as far away as the trailhead or even farther. The spring is pretty deep up that canyon around a slight bend to the right, out of sight in this photo. Ignore any coordinates that take you to a location in a narrow ravine off to the right from the foreground of the photo. That old map location is either in error or once upon a time it indeed was a spring, but it is now dry (I checked it).


As I hiked up canyon this was the first wet spot I found.


I started to worry a bit that maybe the flow had dropped off since I last visited almost 2 years ago.


Not what I was hoping for. Glad I brought 5 liters...


Oh, now that is better. I can work with that.


I think I may have spoken too soon earlier, this is looking up.


Ah! This is the place!


No, although it may look like it, that white stuff is not paint. It was harder than the tip of my knife blade.


Looking back from the striped red boulder.


This is one of the deeper spots where I was able to dip out water with a measuring cup.   :icon_smile: 


Click on the last picture to launch the video...   :great:

- Flash
« Last Edit: February 12, 2017, 02:20:12 PM by Flash »

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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2016, 11:09:44 AM »
On Saturday Dec. 10th, hiked from Juniper Canyon Trailhead to a gravel bench 1/4 mile below Lower Juniper Spring. Dropped my pack at my campsite and proceeded the rest of the way to the spring with my water collection gear in a summit pack. Water was running at a steady trickle from below the red boulder with the white stripes on it. Dipped water out of a deep pool with a measuring cup and collected 4 liters for the next couple days.

Note: In my opinion, this is not water to go searching for under duress. It takes a lot of effort and decent route-finding skills to reach the water from the Dodson. There is no real trail and the terrain gets rougher nearer to the water. Better to backtrack to Upper Juniper Spring or hit the trailhead bear box or even Dodson Spring, because that way you would stay close to the trail and the possibility of help.

Will post a few pictures hopefully this weekend...

- Flash

Hope you don't mind a question about where you were camped and how you accessed--don't worry, I probably won't be seeking this out but I love these puzzles, and I'm just crazy enough that I may some day. Or if you don't want people going there I'd understand that. I think I remember seeing the double-crowned foothill but don't remember exactly where I was. Did you access that spot from the Dodson? Sounds like you were camped on Juniper Creek Trail East of the spring and just a little South. I camped the first night on the Dodson going clockwise in the third wash that's visible on the standard NatGeo topo map, the one just before the Dodson turns to the West. There are some great large boulders off the trail south a few yards which are good for sitting on which is why I chose that spot. Appears the spring would dump into that. I'd think the water would be at least a mile or more up that wash from the Dodson which would be a long slog uphill in the gravel, likely worse than Blue Creek which wasn't that bad. Cool photos.
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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2016, 01:03:44 PM »
Hope you don't mind a question about where you were camped and how you accessed--don't worry, I probably won't be seeking this out but I love these puzzles, and I'm just crazy enough that I may some day. Or if you don't want people going there I'd understand that. I think I remember seeing the double-crowned foothill but don't remember exactly where I was. Did you access that spot from the Dodson? Sounds like you were camped on Juniper Creek Trail East of the spring and just a little South. I camped the first night on the Dodson going clockwise in the third wash that's visible on the standard NatGeo topo map, the one just before the Dodson turns to the West. There are some great large boulders off the trail south a few yards which are good for sitting on which is why I chose that spot. Appears the spring would dump into that. I'd think the water would be at least a mile or more up that wash from the Dodson which would be a long slog uphill in the gravel, likely worse than Blue Creek which wasn't that bad. Cool photos.
Hey Nugget,

Yes, if you followed the wash you were camped near on the Dodson, it would take you up into the canyon wherein Lower Juniper Spring lies. Haven't tried that one, but I imagine you would be able to walk a lot of the way inside the wash, but would have to hop out from time to time to bypass the brush choked sections.

I went up the first wash south of the trailhead and had to leave the wash a couple times and walk parallel to it. Here is a map showing my general route and the area where I camped. After the wash, it is bushwhacking from then on and will likely take longer than expected. Although the area I camped in is only 1-1/4 miles from the trailhead as the crow flies, it can easily take 1-1/2 hours. The isolation of the area can definitely be felt, since there are some lower foothills situated between the trailhead and the alluvial terrace where I camped.

- Flash
« Last Edit: December 19, 2016, 01:20:47 PM by Flash »

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Re: Lower Juniper Spring - December 10, 2016
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 04:04:42 PM »
So I just followed the link in your 2/12/17 post back to this one. Thanks for the pics and the very detailed info. I may have to check out that area in the not-too-distant future. I sure wish one of the geology savants on BBC would enlighten us as to the nature of those white markings on the red boulder. I'm flummoxed.
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