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NPS and water reports

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Offline presidio

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2017, 12:15:45 AM »
I have never honored the "dig a hole" rule, it's silly. Do animals dig holes?

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Offline dprather

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2017, 04:34:19 AM »
I'm still trying to dig the first hole on Mesa de Anguila or Marufo Vega.
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Offline Jimbow

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2017, 05:05:32 AM »
I've worried about newbies and that "dig a hole" speech. 

Imagine how many TONS of unused and unusable trowels have been hauled round and round the OML.

I have never honored the "dig a hole" rule, it's silly. Do animals dig holes?
Do animals use toilet paper? Lol

I'm certain everyone here as found human poop on trails and around campsites. I would hope as a species we could be more considerate than animals.

They do need to update their advice to a more practical method.

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Offline gmonroe

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2017, 06:52:11 AM »
We did what is low known as the OML back in 1978 and guess what?  The rangers response then was "...you can't depend on the springs...". I believe it's a pretty standard government response to "protect" the public and basically "absolve" the NPS from any mishaps.  Of course that's just my personal opinion...

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Offline Keepa

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2017, 04:27:55 AM »
I've worried about newbies and that "dig a hole" speech. 

Imagine how many TONS of unused and unusable trowels have been hauled round and round the OML.

I have never honored the "dig a hole" rule, it's silly. Do animals dig holes?
Do animals use toilet paper? Lol

I'm certain everyone here as found human poop on trails and around campsites. I would hope as a species we could be more considerate than animals.

They do need to update their advice to a more practical method.

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But I do pack out the toilet paper. Also, I go to a distant location from the trail or camp or water, an area that would not normally be visited...unless you are looking for such for said purpose :icon_smile:

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Offline Jimbow

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2017, 04:37:01 AM »
Sorry. I didn't mean to imply you personally. For the masses if dig a hole at least gets them to hide it,  it's decent advice.

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Offline elhombre

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2017, 08:52:37 AM »

But I do pack out the toilet paper. Also, I go to a distant location from the trail or camp or water, an area that would not normally be visited...unless you are looking for such for said purpose :icon_smile:

If you don't think it matters to dig a hole, then why do you bother walking away from camp or water?
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Offline Keepa

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2017, 01:06:31 PM »
If you don't think it matters to dig a hole, then why do you bother walking away from camp or water?

I should think that would be obvious. In the pre-plumbing days, why was the outhouse out?

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Offline badknees

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2017, 02:45:44 PM »
It is hard to dig in solid rock! Have you ever seen really small cairns while hiking?  Well, they're not actually cairns.......catch my drift?
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Offline House Made of Dawn

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2017, 04:05:44 PM »
It is hard to dig in solid rock! Have you ever seen really small cairns while hiking?  Well, they're not actually cairns.......catch my drift?

Every once in a while, badknees or elhombre makes an off-handed comment that keeps me laughing happily all day. Solid rock is tricky. I've done a lot of hiking in the slickrock country of the Four Corners where there really is literally NO PLACE to dig a cathole. Now, I haven't made any little cairns...a bit too much like a poo-shrine for my taste, but I do take the time to use the smear technique: take a handy rock and smeeeeeeeear your poo over the rock surface. Speeds up decomposition.

As for all the other substrates: you might consider using the Deuce of Spades. I tested in on my recent cross-park hike of BIBE and it is THE BEST trowel I've ever used. I can't tell you how many metal or plastic trowels I've broken over 40 years of backpacking. The Deuce is a monster: it only weighs 17 grams and it can dig through anything other than solid rock. During my cross-park hike I was able to penetrate clay-packed gravel, pry apart tightly-packed limestone, and dislodge softball sized rocks with ease. It's tough, it's flexible, it bends, but you can always bend it back into shape. It's the feather-light indefatigable mofo of toilet trowels.

http://thetentlab.com/Deuce/DeuceofSpadespage.html

« Last Edit: February 18, 2017, 06:19:30 PM by House Made of Dawn »
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Offline House Made of Dawn

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2017, 04:06:57 PM »
David and Richard: we may be veering off-topic here. Perhaps we need a "How to shit in the BIBE" thread?
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Offline Jim

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« Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 11:12:05 AM by Jim »

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Offline alan in shreveport

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2017, 08:25:10 AM »
also listed on the website that Ranger Tim's book was from (under hiking ...) :

Restop 2 Disposable Travel Toilet

Perfect for those who care about the environment and who don’t want to pollute with human waste, the Restop® 2 uses a patented "bag within...

$3.45

seems like a good deal to me !

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Offline House Made of Dawn

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2017, 01:20:43 PM »
"How to shit in the BIBE"

http://bigbendbookstore.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=48&products_id=533

Hey, I own that book! I bought it for my daughter when she was three or four. I may have even bought it from the BBNH bookstore at PJ.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 03:18:54 PM by House Made of Dawn »
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Offline Jimbow

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Re: NPS and water reports
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2017, 10:53:28 AM »


It's the feather-light indefatigable mofo of toilet trowels.

http://thetentlab.com/Deuce/DeuceofSpadespage.html

THAT should be their advertising tag line.

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