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Big Bend National Park Q&A => Water and Spring Reports => Topic started by: BradATX on November 12, 2018, 08:27:39 AM

Title: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: BradATX on November 12, 2018, 08:27:39 AM
Just got back from four days of hiking a big loop, with a rough route of Homer Wilson to Claro drainage to ET trail to Double Spring to Fisk Canyon to Dominguez Spring to Smoky Spring and back up Smoky Creek.  I can say that Dominguez and Smoky Springs are both running nicely.  I can't report with certainty on any of the other springs I went by, because their is a ridiculous amount of surface water flowing through most drainages right now.  Waterfalls and soaking wet boots type stuff.  We were hiking in and along side water for maybe half of our 40 mile hike.

The highest water levels were in the Claro/Fresno drainage and Fisk Canyon.  I'd expect flowing surface water in those locations for the next week, probably more.  Water levels are falling however.  The Dodson/Smoky Creek junction was a fast running stream on our first day out.  It was still flowing nicely on our return four days later, but probably at half the rate.

I have a busy week ahead of me but I'll try to put together a trip report soon, complete with pictures.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!)
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 12, 2018, 08:48:49 AM
Thanks for getting a water report out quickly, Brad! That's an amazing amount of water. Wish I was out there to see it right now. But, alas, no.....hope someone else gets out there soon, though, because tracking the fall (or rise) of flows would be fascinating.

Looking forward to the full trip report when you get a chance. 
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 12, 2018, 08:49:26 AM
By the way, that's quite a loop you did. Congrats!
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: BradATX on November 12, 2018, 09:04:55 AM
Thanks!  For the record, this was from 11/8 through 11/11.  My route was roughly similar to one I posted two years ago but in the opposite direction and with a few side explorations.

The biggest surprise besides all the water was meeting a pair of hikers heading in the opposite direction between Jack's Pass and Smoky Spring.  I told them they were going to wish they had waterproof boots once they got near Fisk Canyon.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: Buck on November 12, 2018, 11:56:51 AM
Nice
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: mule ears on November 12, 2018, 01:35:21 PM
Amazing water levels for sure, especially that report of a flowing stream at the Smoky Creek and Dodson junction.  Sounds like a March trip I did in '92 along the same route after several years of above average rainfall but a particularly wet Dec.-Feb. period and water was running down almost every wash.  I will be a good time to hit the lower desert this year.   :eusa_dance:
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: badknees on November 12, 2018, 03:05:26 PM
Amazing water levels for sure, especially that report of a flowing stream at the Smoky Creek and Dodson junction.  Sounds like a March trip I did in '92 along the same route after several years of above average rainfall but a particularly wet Dec.-Feb. period and water was running down almost every wash.  I will be a good time to hit the lower desert this year.   :eusa_dance:

Winter '08 was like that too!
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: lech on November 12, 2018, 05:47:13 PM
Hey Brad, this is lech (Ric). I was leaving as you were headed in. The water was amazing back in the Quemada's.  After years I have finally joined the forum, Newbie to forum but not BiBe, In 70/80s rafted mainly. On occasion after doing all the established trails started my adventures into the Quemadas. Then 22 year sabbatical to raise kids and then started heading back into the Quemadas in 2013. For recent report on the Corral spring drainage and water go to youtube and just search "rtcentral12".
Can't wait to see Brad's report and photos.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: mule ears on November 12, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
Hey Brad, this is lech (Ric). I was leaving as you were headed in. The water was amazing back in the Quemada's.  After years I have finally joined the forum, Newbie to forum but not BiBe, In 70/80s rafted mainly. On occasion after doing all the established trails started my adventures into the Quemadas. Then 22 year sabbatical to raise kids and then started heading back into the Quemadas in 2013. For recent report on the Corral spring drainage and water go to youtube and just search "rtcentral12".
Can't wait to see Brad's report and photos.
Ric, glad to see that you joined the group, your experience will be welcome!



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Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: Flash on November 12, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
Hey Brad, this is lech (Ric). I was leaving as you were headed in. The water was amazing back in the Quemada's.  After years I have finally joined the forum, Newbie to forum but not BiBe, In 70/80s rafted mainly. On occasion after doing all the established trails started my adventures into the Quemadas. Then 22 year sabbatical to raise kids and then started heading back into the Quemadas in 2013. For recent report on the Corral spring drainage and water go to youtube and just search "rtcentral12".
Can't wait to see Brad's report and photos.
Enjoyed your video, lech!  :great: Wow, that's a lot of water flowing down that Corral Spring canyon!  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: RichardM on November 12, 2018, 09:30:19 PM
For recent report on the Corral spring drainage and water go to youtube and just search "rtcentral12".
Or for those too lazy to search:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0onLWHQMKk

Where was the waterfall at 11:00? Got coordinates? Awesome sight!

Is this it?
https://mapper.acme.com/?ll=29.19940,-103.34064&z=19&t=S&marker0=29.19940%2C-103.34064%2C29.19940614%20-103.3406428
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: Flash on November 12, 2018, 09:56:02 PM
Where was the waterfall at 11:00? Got coordinates? Awesome sight!
The water fall is formed by the volcanic dike located immediately above the Corral Spring location coordinates given in Lance's Google Earth Project. The 7/2014 imagery is the sharpest.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: thwart on November 13, 2018, 11:32:35 AM
That was my brother and me you bumped into near Jack's Pass.  We did Mules Ears to Dominguez through Jack's Pass and then up Fisk to to Smokey Creek Trail and back.  Water everywhere.  Most I've seen in 40 years of BBNP trekking.

If someone doesn't like carrying the water weight (like me) now is the time to go.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: lech on November 13, 2018, 11:45:44 AM
RichardM.   Sorry I did not have my GPS this go. But your location is it (actually the white spot just to the left of the "A".  And as you know most 99% of the time this is probably just another dry pouroff to get around in the Quemada's.  Over the years I have always wanted to see water actually flowing in a creek. I got blessed with a waterfall a week ago.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: mule ears on November 13, 2018, 12:20:33 PM
That was my brother and me you bumped into near Jack's Pass.  We did Mules Ears to Dominguez through Jack's Pass and then up Fisk to to Smokey Creek Trail and back.  Water everywhere.  Most I've seen in 40 years of BBNP trekking.

If someone doesn't like carrying the water weight (like me) now is the time to go.

thwart welcome to BBC as well.  Have a trip report for us?  Pictures?  Where else have you trekked in all those years?

 :welcome:

edit:  I now see that you are not new to BBC just finally posted after 6 years!
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 13, 2018, 01:28:51 PM
That was my brother and me you bumped into near Jack's Pass.  We did Mules Ears to Dominguez through Jack's Pass and then up Fisk to to Smokey Creek Trail and back.  Water everywhere.  Most I've seen in 40 years of BBNP trekking.

If someone doesn't like carrying the water weight (like me) now is the time to go.

This is one of things I most love about BBC -- the opportunity for random strangers encountering each other or their equipment on the trail to reconnect after it's all over. Without BBC, none of us would ever have a chance to follow-up. Thanks again, David and Richard, for creating and keeping BBC alive!
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: BradATX on November 14, 2018, 12:41:30 PM
Hey Brad, this is lech (Ric). I was leaving as you were headed in. The water was amazing back in the Quemada's.  After years I have finally joined the forum, Newbie to forum but not BiBe, In 70/80s rafted mainly. On occasion after doing all the established trails started my adventures into the Quemadas. Then 22 year sabbatical to raise kids and then started heading back into the Quemadas in 2013. For recent report on the Corral spring drainage and water go to youtube and just search "rtcentral12".
Can't wait to see Brad's report and photos.

Hi Ric, it was great meeting you at the trailhead.  The volunteer ranger checking parked cars said you were quite the experienced Big Bend hiker.  Sounds like he was right!

Any chance you could describe your route?  We saw a single set of fresh boot prints while in various wet off-trail locations and wondered if they were yours.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: BradATX on November 14, 2018, 12:49:17 PM
That was my brother and me you bumped into near Jack's Pass.  We did Mules Ears to Dominguez through Jack's Pass and then up Fisk to to Smokey Creek Trail and back.  Water everywhere.  Most I've seen in 40 years of BBNP trekking.

If someone doesn't like carrying the water weight (like me) now is the time to go.

Hey thwart, it was great meeting you guys too.  I'm curious about how things were between Fisk and Smoky Creek.  I've always liked that area.

I'll go ahead and spill the beans that you and your brother have lots of knowledge about springs in BBRSP, which I'm dying to hear about.   :)
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: lech on November 14, 2018, 07:12:00 PM
Brad
probably not my boots unless between claro up to cooper and then up drainage until connect with Dodson. I saw no boots in this stretch and only a bear print. I had a more aggressive 6 day trip planned (Alder, water works, Fresno, double, up drainage north of double and drop into claro, and then out) but cut it short as was not feeling well 3rd day, I came in from Homer, where trail leaves drainage to go up, I followed drainage around to SE until going up a pass and into Corral spring drainage. Up that drainage to Dodson.  At Claro drainage I headed up drainage and camped and also checked out a spring that was not listed. I am calling it Claro 0.5. Next day followed drainage past Claro 1 to juncture with Cooper sprg drainage. Up that drainage and out by Dodson.  Sounds like you have been checking out all the back country springs also.
ric
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: Homer67 on December 01, 2018, 09:21:50 PM
You guys are right, runoff water in the SQ was really flowing. I did a 6-day solo Nov 2-7; Mule Ears/Smoky Creek/Fisk/Double Spring/ET Trail/Dodson via Adler/Juniper and out. The water was sublime!

https://youtu.be/bfo6dXmoUOE

https://youtu.be/alhaYaUwhss
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: BradATX on December 01, 2018, 11:14:53 PM
I'll bet it was your boot prints we saw, Homer67!  We were on a similar route, opposite direction, from Nov 8-11.  Saw tracks in Fisk, in the stretch from Double Spring to ET, and in the ET below Fresno.

I should have a trip report up here in the next day or two.
Title: Re: Quemada Surface Water (!) and Springs
Post by: Homer67 on December 01, 2018, 11:44:44 PM
I hiked right through there! I love the SQ. Iím going back for 6-7 nights the last week of Feb. for more exploration and solitude, although Iíve invited one person and another wants in.

https://flic.kr/p/2au9wr1