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Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report

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Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« on: January 01, 2018, 12:14:59 PM »
I just got back from a short trip to the park. I walked out Mule Ears to Smoky Creek, up Smoky Creek past the Black Rock canyon, across the "old" (non-existent) cut-over trail east and south of Sugarloaf towards Canyon Spring, then due south towards Smoky Spring (southwest of pt 3935).  Continued south to San Jacinto spring  and on down the wash until turning northwest up to Casita Spring.  Then back up to the Smoky Spring drainage which I followed down to Santa Spring, up Smoky Creek trail to Mule Ears trail and back out.

As has already been reported, springs in Smoky Creek are running fine, WIllow Spring all the way up to upper part of the Black Rock canyon have water. The canyon south of Sugarloaf, has water beginning at it's head and lots of water all the way down to Canyon Spring and the high pouroff.

I did not check for water at Smoky Spring.

Saw water in the upper San Jacinto Spring drainage beginning about at about 3,000 feet but mostly just damp soil.
San Jacinto A was running good, several good pools below the pouroff and running water for about a 50 yards.
The lower springs (B) were also running but lots of vegetation makes it harder to access and is in soft sand so would be harder to collect. Water ran down to the main San Jacinto wash.

Water running throughout the Boulder Tinaja area from the start up to Triangle Tinaja. At the exit of the small slot canyon where Triangle Tinaja is there is water coming down the left wash that empties into the main wash.

The water in the left wash stops after a short distance but picks up again just before arriving at Casita Spring. Good water there with some deeper holes to collect water from.

Last spring was Santa Spring (N29 07.419 W103 24.482). There was a LOT of running water starting above where the Smoky Creek and Smoky Spring drainages meet and continuing down to below the large pouroff where the water disappears into the sand.

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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2018, 12:37:09 PM »
Wow, even more water then when we were there 2 years ago, when Santa was dry.  Looks like a great winter to hike the desert!
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 09:22:33 PM »
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past the Black Rock canyon, across the "old" (non-existent) cut-over trail east and south of Sugarloaf towards Canyon Spring

Robert,
Im thinking of something similar to that soon. How was the crossover section? Any signs at all of the old route?
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 10:02:58 PM »
No signs of the old trail. Even if it was there the tall grasses would obscure much of it. I ran into issues trying to follow the route where it emptied into the big wash south of Sugarloaf. That side wash was too choked with vegetation so I kept up on the ridgetop as far as I could and then just went down the steep end point. Not too dangerous and much preferred to what I avoided. On a plus side, there was a old corral on the bench above the wash near the entrance to the big canyon that empties into the Smoky Creek "valley". Other than that, it is just slow going, picking your way through the lechugulla and rocky terrain. It probably took me 2 hours for the  1.4 miles between drainages.

I sent you the track log.
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 10:56:23 PM »
No signs of the old trail. Even if it was there the tall grasses would obscure much of it. I ran into issues trying to follow the route where it emptied into the big wash south of Sugarloaf. That side wash was too choked with vegetation so I kept up on the ridgetop as far as I could and then just went down the steep end point. Not too dangerous and much preferred to what I avoided. On a plus side, there was a old corral on the bench above the wash near the entrance to the big canyon that empties into the Smoky Creek "valley". Other than that, it is just slow going, picking your way through the lechugulla and rocky terrain. It probably took me 2 hours for the  1.4 miles between drainages.

I sent you the track log.

Thanks!
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2018, 06:03:42 AM »
How was the NW cutover you took to Smoky Spring?  I remember that it had some big boulders to work around at one spot.
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2018, 08:24:59 AM »
Coming up from the Sugarloaf side it was fairly straightforward. I climbed up from the wash and once up high it leveled out and was fairly easy walking. After walking up to the top for views I started down the drainage towards the Smoky Spring. That's where it gets hard. I didn't have to get around any boulders, because I stayed out of the wash. But walking the sides of the in the narrow section was slow going, had to cross the wash a couple of times and the sides were steep and brushy. Once through that I kept high to the right and I knew to avoid the chimney-like pouroff that empties into the box canyon near the bottom by moving around to the front of the mountain before descending.

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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2018, 10:45:04 AM »
Coming up from the Sugarloaf side it was fairly straightforward. I climbed up from the wash and once up high it leveled out and was fairly easy walking. After walking up to the top for views I started down the drainage towards the Smoky Spring. That's where it gets hard. I didn't have to get around any boulders, because I stayed out of the wash. But walking the sides of the in the narrow section was slow going, had to cross the wash a couple of times and the sides were steep and brushy. Once through that I kept high to the right and I knew to avoid the chimney-like pouroff that empties into the box canyon near the bottom by moving around to the front of the mountain before descending.

Any photos? I see you walked out to overlook the Smoky Creek drainage at N29.15249 W103.37424 You had to snap a few photos from there?
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2018, 10:47:11 AM »
Coming up from the Sugarloaf side it was fairly straightforward. I climbed up from the wash and once up high it leveled out and was fairly easy walking. After walking up to the top for views I started down the drainage towards the Smoky Spring. That's where it gets hard. I didn't have to get around any boulders, because I stayed out of the wash. But walking the sides of the in the narrow section was slow going, had to cross the wash a couple of times and the sides were steep and brushy. Once through that I kept high to the right and I knew to avoid the chimney-like pouroff that empties into the box canyon near the bottom by moving around to the front of the mountain before descending.

Any photos? I see you walked out to overlook the Smoky Creek drainage at N29.15249 W103.37424 You had to snap a few photos from there?

Yeah, I bet there was a sweet Mule Ears picture from that spot.

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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2018, 10:50:54 AM »
Maybe a few.  :icon_wink:


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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2018, 11:05:49 AM »
Calendar nomination!

Maybe a few.  :icon_wink:



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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2018, 05:10:05 PM »
+1 on the calendar nomination! Great shot Robert!
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2018, 05:27:05 PM »
Robert,

Any photos of the ruins at Casita Spring?
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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2018, 05:37:01 PM »
Any photos of the ruins at Casita Spring?

Here's a couple. I asked Tom Alex, and he said it belonged to Pablo Baiza. He was married to Nona Dodson, daughter of Harve Dodson (Dodson Trail).
http://www.lifebeforetheruins.com/marcelo-baeza.html


Ruins at Casita Springs



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Re: Smoky Creek to San Jacinto Springs water Report
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2018, 03:48:14 PM »
Sweet!  I passed this way last November.  I had a couple of nights to explore solo.  The serenity was a great addition to a trip that included an enjoyable evening of celebration with Voni, Rey, QS, Tom and others at La Posada. I rocked out to Ozzy in Smoky Joe's old place and caught a nap in the shade of the ruin's SW corner in the heat of one of the days.
Ah Big Bend, we will soon return to reacquaint ourselves in our ritual of blood, exhaustion and dehydration. How can we resist the temptation to strip ourselves of the maladies of civilization?

 


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