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Offline SHANEA

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« on: January 04, 2006, 11:58:10 AM »
QUESTION - has anyone been to John Poindexters Cibolo Creek Ranch?  http://www.cibolocreekranch.com

Somehow, the location from his directions "doesn't fit" with where I think it is?  I can never recall a road "off to the west south of Marfa".  Somehow, I always thought the ranch was on the EAST side of Hwy 67.
see:  http://www.cibolocreekranch.com/directions/midland.htm

If the ranch is on the WEST side of 67, then why is Poindexter so interested in acquiring the land on the EAST side of 67 over towards/near/around/ Big Bend Ranch State Park?

Interestingly, when I was at BBRSP last week, we ran into some cowpokes that were hearding cattle at the main entrance to the state park - the locked gate.  They were on the "opposite" side of the gate - aka not state TPWD land.  In talking with them, they indicated that "Cibolo" had purchased the land and they were taking the cattle off of it.  In saying "Cibolo", I took that to mean John Poindexter and the Cibolo Creek Ranch had purchased the land.

So, taking a stretch on this, it sounds to me that Poindexter is "buying" up land in the area for a possible land swap with the state for the portion of BBRSP that he wants?  If Cibolo is on the otherside of the road, then why is he so "heck bent" on acquiring this piece of property?  I wish I had of taken the time to "somehow" explore the area that he is wanting so badly.

One other interesting point, if you look at the state map of BBRSP on the internet @     http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/park_maps/pwd_mp_p4501_152g.pdf

It does NOT show that the park actually extends quite a bit NORTH - almost to Shafter.  If you look at the upper part of the map where the h is in Ranch the two vertical lines "seem to extend".  Well, based on the topo maps with park boundry overlay at the BBRSP bunkhouse, the park does in fact extend quite a bit north.

There is "so much area" to the BBRSP in frastructure that is currently basically "unaccessable" that it is tragic.  I want to explore and understand it all!
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Offline 10ftTall&BulletPrf

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2006, 01:54:12 PM »
Cibolo straddles 67 with old Fort Cibolo (main entrance) to the west and old Forts Cienega and Morita to the east on the east side of 67.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2006, 09:42:48 PM »
Actually Shane I was there in late October last year on a study tour with my job. We covered alot of the Big Bend region and west Texas, and I got paid for it with my meals and lodging included. It was a pretty sweet deal, and I met alot of great people, and learned a hell of alot. Downside was we only got to spend limited time at each destination, including Cibolo. As far as getting there, unfortunately I was on a bus and didn't pay mind to specifics....nobody spoke of any land deals either. We were given the "tourista" shpiel mostly, and were able to walk the grounds and explore. A restored fort with lots of antiques and memorabilia to look at, historical papers and such. They also have pristine rooms decorated lovely in a courtyard similar to Lajitas and The Gage. I'll post some pics from there shortly in the future. :)
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2006, 08:13:39 AM »
Sounds like I need a job like yours, whatever that is!  Are ya'll hiring - paying over six figures?
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2006, 01:34:34 PM »
HAHAHAHA! I's just po folk! Six figures? If I hit the lottery!  :)  Then I can buy you out!! :wink: I was very lucky to have gone on this particular tour, as some of the others arent so great....
I wish I could give the job away today, as it seems all of my customers have had their cornflakes pissed in this morning! Or they were from So Cal....one or tuther'?
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2006, 06:43:36 AM »
Shane I've put some pics of CCR on my Photobucket page if you'd like to check it out! :)
http://photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2006, 11:18:22 AM »
I've stayed there. It's great, and I think Poindexter has done a wonderful job restoring the forts.  I know others won't agree, but the land exchange issue--I think-- was a good will effort on Poindexter's part.  If you visit --open house with refreshments each year at Labor Day-- you will also be impressed with the efforts that have been made to restore this part of Texas history.  

Even though the price is a bit steep, it's not that bad if you only stay a day or two. Saw some great birds there, including the black cardinal.
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Black Cardinal?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2006, 11:37:10 AM »
I've never heard of a Black Cardinal.  Are you talking about the male Phainopepla?

http://www.enature.com/flashcard/show_flash_card.asp?recordNumber=BD0243
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Fam trip?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2006, 11:44:26 AM »
Chisos_Muse, are you really not a travel agent?  That study tour you took sure sounds like a fam trip...
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2006, 11:56:22 AM »
Yes, it was a male Phainopepla--common in the desert SW but still a new bird to me.  The pool at Cibolo Ranch was swarming with those bright red fly catchers--proper name escapes me now--and I'm not a birding expert.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2006, 12:05:51 PM »
Quote from: "dave2"
The pool at Cibolo Ranch was swarming with those bright red flycatchers


Those would be vermilion flycatchers - a beautiful bird.  There are quite a few of them spending the winter on the south side of San Antonio at the Mitchell Lake Audubon Center.

http://www.enature.com/flashcard/show_flash_card.asp?recordNumber=BD0506

http://tx.audubon.org/mitchell.htm
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Re: Fam trip?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2006, 12:57:32 PM »
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Chisos_Muse, are you really not a travel agent?  That study tour you took sure sounds like a fam trip...


No Joe, I'm really not. But there are travel agents in my office. I'm more on just a counseling level for those who need first hand info and advice.  :D
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2006, 01:24:20 PM »
Quote from: "dave2"
I've stayed there. It's great, and I think Poindexter has done a wonderful job restoring the forts.  I know others won't agree, but the land exchange issue--I think-- was a good will effort on Poindexter's part.  If you visit --open house with refreshments each year at Labor Day-- you will also be impressed with the efforts that have been made to restore this part of Texas history.


I agree wtih you, and I think Poindexter's deal in the long run would have been a positive development for Texas.  He would have guaranteed public access to parts of the Cienega, which are currently completely inaccessible.  I think he's a great conservationist, unlike the Steve Smiths of the world.
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