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Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again

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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #150 on: December 30, 2017, 09:41:35 AM »
First, I fished out my GPS logger and placed it high on a boulder to take a reading. The reading came back 29 23 0511N and 103 53 1338W.

Shouldn't that be 102 53 1338W?

Thanks! Fixed.

As Badknees can tell you from last year's trip report, always double-check any navigational information I post. I have some sort of geographical dyslexia that causes me to invert/convert/subvert everything I write. It's been a severe occupational hazard. I can read and use navigational tools; I just can't write about them.

I'm struggling a bit with your coordinates :-[
Can you provide units?  What is the 3810, 5513, 0511 and 1338? Are there any decimal points?

29 28 3810N and 102 50 5513W.
29 23 0511N and 102 53 1338W
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #151 on: December 30, 2017, 09:57:33 AM »
First, I fished out my GPS logger and placed it high on a boulder to take a reading. The reading came back 29 23 0511N and 103 53 1338W.

Shouldn't that be 102 53 1338W?

Thanks! Fixed.

As Badknees can tell you from last year's trip report, always double-check any navigational information I post. I have some sort of geographical dyslexia that causes me to invert/convert/subvert everything I write. It's been a severe occupational hazard. I can read and use navigational tools; I just can't write about them.

I'm struggling a bit with your coordinates :-[
Can you provide units?  What is the 3810, 5513, 0511 and 1338? Are there any decimal points?

29 28 3810N and 102 50 5513W.
29 23 0511N and 102 53 1338W

It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #152 on: December 30, 2017, 10:30:32 AM »
It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds


Seconds are xxxx = xx.xx


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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #153 on: December 30, 2017, 10:45:45 AM »
It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds


Seconds are xxxx = xx.xx


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http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/814b66_d203080a7cc74b7ea4e435e8e6896319.pdf

OK, that clears that up and was my assumption. That leads to another question?

Below is a plot of the 2 referenced points. Looks like about 6 1/2 miles (as the crow flies) between them. The first point plots on the east side of the La Linda road? Which way did you travel?

Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 11:11:25 AM by badknees »
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2017, 11:16:01 AM »
It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds


Seconds are xxxx = xx.xx


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http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/814b66_d203080a7cc74b7ea4e435e8e6896319.pdf

OK, that clears that up and was my assumption. That leads to another question?

Below is a plot of the 2 referenced points. Looks like about 6 1/2 miles (as the crow flies) between them. The first point plots on the east side of the La Linda road? Which way did you travel?

Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?

Yeah I looked at that too, I am sure his first Long. number was off and agree that it is 102 not 103.
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #155 on: December 30, 2017, 11:26:11 AM »
It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds


Seconds are xxxx = xx.xx


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http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/814b66_d203080a7cc74b7ea4e435e8e6896319.pdf

OK, that clears that up and was my assumption. That leads to another question?

Below is a plot of the 2 referenced points. Looks like about 6 1/2 miles (as the crow flies) between them. The first point plots on the east side of the La Linda road? Which way did you travel?

Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?

Yeah I looked at that too, I am sure his first Long. number was off and agree that it is 102 not 103.

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Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?
That was wrong :willynilly:

Seems like its too far north by about 5 min.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 11:44:28 AM by badknees »
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2017, 11:56:52 AM »
It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds


Seconds are xxxx = xx.xx


Page 12



http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/814b66_d203080a7cc74b7ea4e435e8e6896319.pdf

OK, that clears that up and was my assumption. That leads to another question?

Below is a plot of the 2 referenced points. Looks like about 6 1/2 miles (as the crow flies) between them. The first point plots on the east side of the La Linda road? Which way did you travel?

Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?

Yeah I looked at that too, I am sure his first Long. number was off and agree that it is 102 not 103.

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Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?
That was wrong :willynilly:

Seems like its too far north by about 5 min.

Looks like he walked up between Heath Creek and Brushy Draw from the river to Telephone canyon.

There appears to be some sort of water feature (wildlife guzzler?) at 29 23 38.1 -102 50 55.13.

Just floating the river through the entire park is a feat in itself.  :eusa_clap:

Great Story :eusa_dance:

Don
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 12:04:22 PM by Hoodoo »
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #157 on: December 30, 2017, 01:01:07 PM »
It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds


Seconds are xxxx = xx.xx


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http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/814b66_d203080a7cc74b7ea4e435e8e6896319.pdf

OK, that clears that up and was my assumption. That leads to another question?

Below is a plot of the 2 referenced points. Looks like about 6 1/2 miles (as the crow flies) between them. The first point plots on the east side of the La Linda road? Which way did you travel?

Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?

Yeah I looked at that too, I am sure his first Long. number was off and agree that it is 102 not 103.

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Are you sure it wasn't 29 28 2810N and 102 50 5513W. That would make more sense?
That was wrong :willynilly:

Seems like its too far north by about 5 min.

Looks like he walked up between Heath Creek and Brushy Draw from the river to Telephone canyon.

There appears to be some sort of water feature (wildlife guzzler?) at 29 23 38.1 -102 50 55.13.

Just floating the river through the entire park is a feat in itself.  :eusa_clap:

Great Story :eusa_dance:

Don

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Just floating the river through the entire park is a feat in itself.  :eusa_clap:

No kidding!
Not all those who wander are lost.
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #158 on: December 30, 2017, 01:24:57 PM »
I'm struggling a bit with your coordinates :-[
Can you provide units?  What is the 3810, 5513, 0511 and 1338? Are there any decimal points?

29 28 3810N and 102 50 5513W.
29 23 0511N and 102 53 1338W
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It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds

29 28 3810N and 102 50 5513W
29 23 0511N and 102 53 1338W

Okay folks, to clear this up, the above coordinates would display like this:

29° 28' 38.10"N 102° 50' 55.13"W
29° 23' 05.11"N 102° 53' 13.38"W

However, I've never met a GPS unit in which coordinate systems cannot be changed from DMS (degrees, minutes, seconds) to alternate, and much easier to use, displays.

In order of usability they are:

DDD° MM' SS.S"    Degrees, Minutes and Seconds (hardest)
DDD° MM.MMM'    Degrees and Decimal Minutes
DDD.DDDDD°    Decimal Degrees (easiest)
UTM (easiest to do quick mental calculations with, as long as you are in the same zone, as numbers are in meters)

So, converting HMOD's numbers to the above alternates,  you get
Degrees Lat Long    29.4772500°, -102.8486472°
Degrees Minutes   29°28.63500', -102°50.91883'
Degrees Minutes Seconds    29°28'38.1000", -102°50'55.1300"
UTM   13R 708597mE 3262790mN

Degrees Lat Long    29.3847528°, -102.8870500°
Degrees Minutes   29°23.08517', -102°53.22300'
Degrees Minutes Seconds    29°23'05.1100", -102°53'13.3800"
UTM   13R 705058mE 3252469mN

Some notes about all this. Every GPS I've ever used can be set to any of the above schemes, but outputs downloaded data in WGS84 decimal degrees, regardless of how it is displayed on the screen.

The North and West designators are replaced by a plus (+) sign (omitted as unnecessary) for northern latitudes and a minus (-) sign (included) for western longitudes. The degree symbol also is omitted as superfluous since "degree" is what you're dealing with.

So, for example, you can drop 29.3847528, -102.8870500 (or 29.3847528 -102.8870500; with or without the comma, it's not necessary but a space between the coordinates is) into Google Earth and quickly go there.

UTM is a bit more complicated to use outside the GPS  unit as you must include the zone (the 13R above), but for quick calculations between two points in the field it's a matter of simple subtraction to find out how many meters over and up (or down) you are from the first point. No complicated conversions necessary. Values are shown as "Easting" first and "Northing" second. Each zone has 500,000 meters as the center (central meridian: "longitude") of the zone.

Thus, for the Easting value the numbers are prevented from going above or below six digits and negative numbers are not possible. For example, at the equator, where the zones are the widest, the Easting values range from 167000 meters to 833000 meters. The Northing value is the distance in meters from the equator.

Decimal degrees (DDD.DDDDD) is by far the easiest and fastest way to use lat/long coordinates and is much easier to enter into any navigation program or Google Earth than the more laborious entry of DMS or DDD MM.MMM.

It's user preference, but if you deal intensively with maps/navigation the decimal degree system is the way to go.
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #159 on: December 30, 2017, 01:38:12 PM »
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It's user preference, but if you deal intensively with maps/navigation the decimal degree system is the way to go.

Agreed 100%. Although I can readily convert, I only use decimal degrees. - DDD.DDDDD
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #160 on: December 30, 2017, 01:48:26 PM »
Ooops, sorry.  :eusa_doh:  But I did warn you.   :-[

As Badknees can tell you from last year's trip report, always double-check any navigational information I post. I have some sort of geographical dysgraphia that causes me to invert/convert/subvert everything I write. It's been a severe occupational hazard. I can read and use navigational tools; I just can't write about them.

The correct coordinates for the feeder/guzzler station on the Adams Ranch, per my Holux logger, are 29 23 3810N, 102 50 5513W. You can actually see it was written correctly in my journal if you look closely. I mis-transcribed it when posting my trip report, to the tune of 5 degrees, exactly as Badknees deduced. 

A word about my writing process. We're in Albuquerque right now, on our traditional post-Christmas week with the in-laws. I'm composing on a laptop that isn't mine, late in the evenings, on a crowded dining table where 8 other people are raucously playing cards or boardgames. Take my usual geographic dysgraphia and multiply it by ten.  :willynilly:

I'll end my trip report by attaching a CalTopo version of my routes and that should clear up most, if not all, questions.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2018, 05:51:44 PM by House Made of Dawn »
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #161 on: December 30, 2017, 01:51:18 PM »
The correct coordinates for the feeder/guzzler station on the Adams Ranch, per my Holux logger, are 29 23 3810W, 102 50 5513N.

See? I did it again. I need an intern.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2018, 05:52:16 PM by House Made of Dawn »
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #162 on: December 30, 2017, 01:55:05 PM »
Ooops, sorry.  :eusa_doh:  But I did warn you.   :-[

As Badknees can tell you from last year's trip report, always double-check any navigational information I post. I have some sort of geographical dysgraphia that causes me to invert/convert/subvert everything I write. It's been a severe occupational hazard. I can read and use navigational tools; I just can't write about them.

The correct coordinates for the feeder/guzzler station on the Adams Ranch, per my Holux logger, are 29 23 3810N, 102 50 5513W. You can actually see it was written correctly in my journal if you look closely. I mis-transcribed it when posting my trip report, to the tune of 5 degrees, exactly as Badknees deduced. 

A word about my writing process. We're in Albuquerque right now, on our traditional post-Christmas week with the in-laws. I'm composing on a laptop that isn't mine, late in the evenings, on a crowded dining table where 8 other people are raucously playing cards or boardgames. Take my usual geographic dysgraphia and multiply it by ten.  :willynilly:

I'll end my trip report by attaching a CalTopo version of my routes and that should clear up most, if not all, questions.

Thanks for that! I know you are a wild child, but I was trying to figure out how you crossed over the Deadhorse without any drama!!! :eusa_naughty:
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #163 on: December 30, 2017, 03:37:36 PM »
I think  :eusa_think: your hand-written journals alone might end up items of value to the community here (not that you'd ever give them up haha).  What a thrill this trip has become for all of us... :eusa_clap:
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Re: Round the Bend in 16 Days: There and Not-Quite Back Again
« Reply #164 on: December 30, 2017, 04:32:45 PM »

The Holux easily fits in the palm of your hand (I have had one for a while). It's not much bigger than the AA battery that powers it and it's basically a data logger. It doesn't have a lot of features. But it's light and it works. It also last a surprisingly long time on a AA battery. The newest version has Bluetooth and will talk to a phone. Battery life - With Bluetooth and logging - 20 hours. 30 hours if it's just logging. Not bad.

I'm struggling a bit with your coordinates :-[
Can you provide units?  What is the 3810, 5513, 0511 and 1338? Are there any decimal points?

29 28 3810N and 102 50 5513W.
29 23 0511N and 102 53 1338W
Quote
It is the way the Holux reads out degrees, minutes, seconds

29 28 3810N and 102 50 5513W
29 23 0511N and 102 53 1338W

Okay folks, to clear this up, the above coordinates would display like this:

29° 28' 38.10"N 102° 50' 55.13"W
29° 23' 05.11"N 102° 53' 13.38"W

However, I've never met a GPS unit in which coordinate systems cannot be changed from DMS (degrees, minutes, seconds) to alternate, and much easier to use, displays.

In order of usability they are:

DDD° MM' SS.S"    Degrees, Minutes and Seconds (hardest)
DDD° MM.MMM'    Degrees and Decimal Minutes
DDD.DDDDD°    Decimal Degrees (easiest)
UTM (easiest to do quick mental calculations with, as long as you are in the same zone, as numbers are in meters)

So, converting HMOD's numbers to the above alternates,  you get
Degrees Lat Long    29.4772500°, -102.8486472°
Degrees Minutes   29°28.63500', -102°50.91883'
Degrees Minutes Seconds    29°28'38.1000", -102°50'55.1300"
UTM   13R 708597mE 3262790mN

Degrees Lat Long    29.3847528°, -102.8870500°
Degrees Minutes   29°23.08517', -102°53.22300'
Degrees Minutes Seconds    29°23'05.1100", -102°53'13.3800"
UTM   13R 705058mE 3252469mN

Some notes about all this. Every GPS I've ever used can be set to any of the above schemes, but outputs downloaded data in WGS84 decimal degrees, regardless of how it is displayed on the screen.

The North and West designators are replaced by a plus (+) sign (omitted as unnecessary) for northern latitudes and a minus (-) sign (included) for western longitudes. The degree symbol also is omitted as superfluous since "degree" is what you're dealing with.

So, for example, you can drop 29.3847528, -102.8870500 (or 29.3847528 -102.8870500; with or without the comma, it's not necessary but a space between the coordinates is) into Google Earth and quickly go there.

UTM is a bit more complicated to use outside the GPS  unit as you must include the zone (the 13R above), but for quick calculations between two points in the field it's a matter of simple subtraction to find out how many meters over and up (or down) you are from the first point. No complicated conversions necessary. Values are shown as "Easting" first and "Northing" second. Each zone has 500,000 meters as the center (central meridian: "longitude") of the zone.

Thus, for the Easting value the numbers are prevented from going above or below six digits and negative numbers are not possible. For example, at the equator, where the zones are the widest, the Easting values range from 167000 meters to 833000 meters. The Northing value is the distance in meters from the equator.

Decimal degrees (DDD.DDDDD) is by far the easiest and fastest way to use lat/long coordinates and is much easier to enter into any navigation program or Google Earth than the more laborious entry of DMS or DDD MM.MMM.

It's user preference, but if you deal intensively with maps/navigation the decimal degree system is the way to go.

 


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